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May 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 4:51 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Then kindly stop conflating atheism with anything but...y'know, atheism.
Might we say that atheism like evolution is comprised of sub elements to it?
Evolution maybe said to be the theory which arise out of chaos theory, naturalism, genetics, and natural selection.
As such we may say that Atheism is comprised of several sub elements.
Atheism seems to be comprised of realativism, empiricism/materialism, and skepticism.
The element which I am focusing on is the empiricism/materialism portion.
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May 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Empathy and theory of mind might be the terms you're looking for, but "imaginary" can work, too, I guess, if you're willing to explain yourself every single time you use it.
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RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
May 21, 2015 at 4:56 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Anima Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Let me be the first to say I highly doubt you have a degree in philosophy, as you are conflating atheism with methodological naturalism. Seems a rather elementary mistake for someone so educated. One does not necessarily follow the other. I can be a atheist and not a methodological naturalist and vice versa. I however personally do not see the need for a god in a discussion of morality as epicureanism is a far more flexible and effective system.
You would be correct sir. I did not state I had a degree in philosophy.
Nor have I state that god is need for morality. Rather I am stating an imaginary friend is needed for morality. In the case of the theist that friend is external to their person and commonly referred to as god. In the case of an atheist that imaginary person is the self and is commonly referred to in terms of the sentiment of the self or the conscience.
Otherwise the method of ethical conduct to be adopted is utilitarian and will lead to immoral situations. For example skinning 10 kids alive because it makes 100 people happier than it make the 10 kids miserable. While supported by utility we would argue this response is not correct.
Our argument to the incorrectness of this response will be predicated on something other than utility. For the theist it will be the imaginary guy in the sky. For the atheist it will be that they do not "feel" it is right. Which leads me to my initial meat automaton statement how there is no "person" to feel. Thus the feeling is imaginary or fictitious.
If this is a subject you wish to pursue, you should start a thread in a more appropriate place: Atheism, Religion, or Philosophy. This is the introductions place, and the rules governing this part of the forum prevent me from fully expressing how utterly moronic your so-called line of reasoning is. 
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RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
May 21, 2015 at 4:57 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Anima Wrote: I understand the atheistic position to not accept that which may not be empirically verified. Therefore it may be said atheism does not recognize that which is metaphysical and cannot be verified empirically.
Actually, it's more like the "atheistic position" does not recognise that the theistic position has ever demonstrated that any of its claims deserve the appellation "metaphysical", as distinct from "imaginary".
Also, how do rocks react to their surroundings?
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RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
May 21, 2015 at 4:58 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Anima Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 4:51 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Then kindly stop conflating atheism with anything but...y'know, atheism.
Might we say that atheism like evolution is comprised of sub elements to it?
No.
Quote:As such we may say that Atheism is comprised of several sub elements.
No. It isn't. It's literally one thing. You don't seem to be getting this.
Quote:Atheism seems to be comprised of realativism, empiricism/materialism, and skepticism.
That's some astonishing ignorance from someone who claims to be well versed in theological ideas.
Atheism seems to be comprised of not believing in a god. Period. Full stop. Nothing else.
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May 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Iroscato Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Anima Wrote: Ergo, the need for an imaginary friend for moral conduct.
Simple question - what stops YOU from doing immoral things?
Simple answer - Pleasure. (Atheist = it does not please "me" to do those things. Theist = It does not please "me" or "Him")
Simple question - What causes you to do immoral things
Simple answer - Pleasure (Atheist = It pleases me to do those things. Theist = It pleases me to do those things)
Paradoxical without a doubt.
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May 21, 2015 at 5:00 pm
... wow.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
May 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Yeah, but like...wait what?
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May 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm
The bullshit is strong in this one.
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May 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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(May 21, 2015 at 4:58 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (May 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Anima Wrote: Might we say that atheism like evolution is comprised of sub elements to it?
No.
Quote:As such we may say that Atheism is comprised of several sub elements.
No. It isn't. It's literally one thing. You don't seem to be getting this.
Quote:Atheism seems to be comprised of realativism, empiricism/materialism, and skepticism.
That's some astonishing ignorance from someone who claims to be well versed in theological ideas.
Atheism seems to be comprised of not believing in a god. Period. Full stop. Nothing else.
So if I then ask "why do you not believe in god?" is your answer "because."?
If your answer is "I have no proof" then the question becomes what you mean by proof. To which it is likely you mean empirical proof. In which case welcome to empiricism.
or
You may answer that "I have not experience it myself." In which case your answer is relativistic. Welcome to relativism.
Hence, Atheism is not solely atheism. In praise of your person, I do not think you are such a simple being as to say you do not believe "because."
(May 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: The bullshit is strong in this one.
Ha ha. Then this one is in good company.
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