Religion, Vaginas and Penises

[Nope]

 Is there any religion that isn't obsessed with what other people do with their genitalia?  It seems as if a lot of religious people expend a lot of energy being concerned that the consensual sex between adults be of the proper type between married individuals.  

A few years back conservatives were up in arms about a book about two mommas(or daddies). They didn't think that children should be exposed to 'sex'.  Telling little children that two men might love one another and get married shouldn't be more likely to include a discussion about sex than telling them that a man is going to marry a woman.

I have asked people who are against abortions why they don't ask the government to supply free birth control to men and women. The response is that they don't feel that they should be forced to pay for someone else's sexual choices. But if they want to save fetuses, it would make sense to prevent pregnancies in the first place. That is why I think that the abortion discussion is ultimately about sexual freedom and not about saving the lives of brainless mass of cells. Ultimately, they want women to feel afraid to have premarital sex.

[Longhorn]

It's a way to control people. Creating a need (sexuality is bad) for a product (salvation from this 'sin' in the form of religion). First they tell you you're sick and then sell you the medicine. It's a sick practice.

[Nope]

It's a way to control people. Creating a need (sexuality is bad) for a product (salvation from this 'sin' in the form of religion). First they tell you you're sick and then sell you the medicine. It's a sick practice.

The more restrictive the religion's view on sex, the more likely people will fail and feel that they need religion even more. It is a pretty sick cycle.

[FreeTony]

From 1984:

"The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. Its real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act. Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it. All marriages between Party members had to be approved by a committee appointed for the purpose, and – though the principle was never clearly stated – permission was always refused if the couple concerned gave the impression of being physically attracted to one another. The only recognized purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the Party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way it was rubbed into every Party member from childhood onwards. There were even organizations such as the Junior, Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. This, Winston was aware, was not meant altogether seriously, but somehow it fitted in with the general ideology of the Party. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so. And as far as the women were concerned, the Party's efforts were largely successful. "

[Pyrrho]

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I have asked people who are against abortions why they don't ask the government to supply free birth control to men and women. The response is that they don't feel that they should be forced to pay for someone else's sexual choices. But if they want to save fetuses, it would make sense to prevent pregnancies in the first place. That is why I think that the abortion discussion is ultimately about sexual freedom and not about saving the lives of brainless mass of cells. Ultimately, they want women to feel afraid to have premarital sex.

Yes.  They obviously do not care about fetuses, or they would be in favor of free prenatal care for pregnant women, and other such policies that would be beneficial to fetuses.

And:

Additionally, the nonsense about caring about a fertilized egg is proven to be pure bullshit by the fact that they never care that, naturally, fertilized eggs often do not implant in the uterus, and just are expelled from the body.  If they really thought that it was a human life, they would want to do something about this fact.  But it is so trivial to them, that they never so much as talk about it.  (And if they claim ignorance of this fact, it shows that they really do not care about fertilized eggs; otherwise, they would take the trouble to learn something about the subject.)

The verbiage about caring about life is just a lie to cover the fact that they want to control women.  You can know this because, in this, as is most other things, actions speak louder than words.  Their actions show that they do not give a rat's ass about fertilized eggs or fetuses or children or life at all.  Their actions tell us that they care about controlling women.

[vorlon13]

From 1984:

"The aim of the Party was not merely to prevent men and women from forming loyalties which it might not be able to control. Its real, undeclared purpose was to remove all pleasure from the sexual act. Not love so much as eroticism was the enemy, inside marriage as well as outside it. All marriages between Party members had to be approved by a committee appointed for the purpose, and – though the principle was never clearly stated – permission was always refused if the couple concerned gave the impression of being physically attracted to one another. The only recognized purpose of marriage was to beget children for the service of the Party. Sexual intercourse was to be looked on as a slightly disgusting minor operation, like having an enema. This again was never put into plain words, but in an indirect way it was rubbed into every Party member from childhood onwards. There were even organizations such as the Junior, Anti-Sex League, which advocated complete celibacy for both sexes. All children were to be begotten by artificial insemination (artsem, it was called in Newspeak) and brought up in public institutions. This, Winston was aware, was not meant altogether seriously, but somehow it fitted in with the general ideology of the Party. The Party was trying to kill the sex instinct, or, if it could not be killed, then to distort it and dirty it. He did not know why this was so, but it seemed natural that it should be so. And as far as the women were concerned, the Party's efforts were largely successful. "

I became aroused reading that . . . . .

[polar bear]

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I have asked people who are against abortions why they don't ask the government to supply free birth control to men and women. The response is that they don't feel that they should be forced to pay for someone else's sexual choices. But if they want to save fetuses, it would make sense to prevent pregnancies in the first place. That is why I think that the abortion discussion is ultimately about sexual freedom and not about saving the lives of brainless mass of cells. Ultimately, they want women to feel afraid to have premarital sex.

Yes.  They obviously do not care about fetuses, or they would be in favor of free prenatal care for pregnant women, and other such policies that would be beneficial to fetuses.

And:

Additionally, the nonsense about caring about a fertilized egg is proven to be pure bullshit by the fact that they never care that, naturally, fertilized eggs often do not implant in the uterus, and just are expelled from the body.  If they really thought that it was a human life, they would want to do something about this fact.  But it is so trivial to them, that they never so much as talk about it.  (And if they claim ignorance of this fact, it shows that they really do not care about fertilized eggs; otherwise, they would take the trouble to learn something about the subject.)

The verbiage about caring about life is just a lie to cover the fact that they want to control women.  You can know this because, in this, as is most other things, actions speak louder than words.  Their actions show that they do not give a rat's ass about fertilized eggs or fetuses or children or life at all.  Their actions tell us that they care about controlling women.

Fetus=GOOD  child=BAD

[Iroscato]

Who cares about the kids once they've been pushed out of the life support system for a vagina woman, right? Unless a film or video game comes out with some gore in it, then the little bastards come in handy for some good old fashioned guilt-trippin'.

[Pyrrho]

Yes.  They obviously do not care about fetuses, or they would be in favor of free prenatal care for pregnant women, and other such policies that would be beneficial to fetuses.

And:

Additionally, the nonsense about caring about a fertilized egg is proven to be pure bullshit by the fact that they never care that, naturally, fertilized eggs often do not implant in the uterus, and just are expelled from the body.  If they really thought that it was a human life, they would want to do something about this fact.  But it is so trivial to them, that they never so much as talk about it.  (And if they claim ignorance of this fact, it shows that they really do not care about fertilized eggs; otherwise, they would take the trouble to learn something about the subject.)

The verbiage about caring about life is just a lie to cover the fact that they want to control women.  You can know this because, in this, as is most other things, actions speak louder than words.  Their actions show that they do not give a rat's ass about fertilized eggs or fetuses or children or life at all.  Their actions tell us that they care about controlling women.

Fetus=GOOD  child=BAD

It is not even that.  Fertilized eggs that naturally do not implant in the uterus are also things that "pro-life" people don't care about.  God is the biggest abortionist there is, or would be, if there were a god.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's no coincidence that they've labeled one of the most ineradicable drives a sin. Guilt builds itself at that point.