Ceteloguing the Tricks Theists Play

[Drich]

If you believe in a literal hell (not sure if you do or not), and that god does not call everyone, you are admitting that god sends some people to hell even when it is not their fault.

What makes you think anyone in Hell does not deserve to be there? A call from God does not mean one automatically gets to Heaven. Just like a call back on a job interview means you get the job or will even keep the job. Whether you get the job or not has to do with whether or not your qualified, not if you are liked. Is it the employer's fault not all who apply are qualified? Is it the employer's fault that not all who are call back will want the job, or rather keep the job?

The same is true here with God. Not all are call because one not all want to go. There are many here on this website who will admit to that. Second not all who are called will heed the call. Those who do really want to be there for all the right reasons. There is not one example of anyone who wanted to be with god for the right reasons who was ever turned away.

Look at who Jesus called and they turned away: The rich young ruler, The pharrisees, The saducees, The Scribes, and lets not forget Judas. All were called some never considered Christ's offer, Some did, but realized they had too much to give up, so they turned and walked away. In the case of Judas he heard the call followed Christ for a while then turned on Him.

So again to be called does not mean will follow that calling. I would suggest if you ever Heard the gospel in your life time, you have heard that call.

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Precisely.  And both whether the GPS exists and whether it works are easily tested.  It does, and it mostly does.   The item exists, it offers clear instructions and they work for everyone almost all of the time.

Precisely! And both whether the Bible Exists and whether it works is easily tested! And it Does work. The Book exists, it offers clear instruction, and it works everytime per the promise of God!!

Wow I guess we are on the same page.

God offers an incoherent book.

 
Incoherent to whom?

The directions that begin with turn off your rational mind and really really want.

 
Want has nothing to do with anything. You must be trying to describe whatever failed version of pop Christianity you are familiar with.

And even so the directions don't work for everyone except those who really really want them to and are willing to ignore much failure.

GPS hypothesis pass,  god hypothesis fail.

The only thing that fails is your understanding of God. Is it your belief that just because your beliefs failed it really means their can't be a God outside what your mind can phathom?

[Rhondazvous]

My argument was about whether or not GPS exists... It was about how to 'proove' whether or not what the GPS said was accurate. The only way to 'proove' whether or not your getting accurate turn by turn instruction is to follow the instructions turn by turn.

Like wise God's system of proof that is offered is like a set of turn by turn instructions, in that the only way to get to God is to follow the turn by turn instructions.

Precisely.  And both whether the GPS exists and whether it works are easily tested.  It does, and it mostly does.   The item exists, it offers clear instructions and they work for everyone almost all of the time.

God offers an incoherent book.  The directions that begin with turn off your rational mind and really really want.  And even so the directions don't work for everyone except those who really really want them to and are willing to ignore much failure.

GPS hypothesis pass,  god hypothesis fail.

GPS Says: Go 3 blocks and turn right

God/Bible Says: Go 3 blocks, but don't go more than2 blocks then turn tight 3 times. If you turn left thou shalt surely die. (forget that 3 rights equal a left) 

[Nope]

Did we cover this trick?

You would accept our explanation if you just took a chance and believed. The fact that you don't understand or accept our explanation means that you must never have believed. The fault is not in our explanation or believes but in your inability to just accept.

[Rhondazvous]

When their argument is refuted, they claim that wasn't their argument but rather some other statement. This cold be a classic Drichism.

[PhilliptheTeenageAtheist]

What makes you think anyone in Hell does not deserve to be there? A call from God does not mean one automatically gets to Heaven. Just like a call back on a job interview means you get the job or will even keep the job. Whether you get the job or not has to do with whether or not your qualified, not if you are liked. Is it the employer's fault not all who apply are qualified? Is it the employer's fault that not all who are call back will want the job, or rather keep the job?

The same is true here with God. Not all are call because one not all want to go. There are many here on this website who will admit to that. Second not all who are called will heed the call. Those who do really want to be there for all the right reasons. There is not one example of anyone who wanted to be with god for the right reasons who was ever turned away.

Look at who Jesus called and they turned away: The rich young ruler, The pharrisees, The saducees, The Scribes, and lets not forget Judas. All were called some never considered Christ's offer, Some did, but realized they had too much to give up, so they turned and walked away. In the case of Judas he heard the call followed Christ for a while then turned on Him.

So again to be called does not mean will follow that calling. I would suggest if you ever Heard the gospel in your life time, you have heard that call.

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I'm not necessarily talking about me. What of someone in a remote tribe in Africa or Papua New Guinea who truly has never heard of the Bible or Jesus? Do they go to hell just out of bad geographical luck?

[Drich]

Precisely.  And both whether the GPS exists and whether it works are easily tested.  It does, and it mostly does.   The item exists, it offers clear instructions and they work for everyone almost all of the time.

God offers an incoherent book.  The directions that begin with turn off your rational mind and really really want.  And even so the directions don't work for everyone except those who really really want them to and are willing to ignore much failure.

GPS hypothesis pass,  god hypothesis fail.

GPS Says: Go 3 blocks and turn right

God/Bible Says: Go 3 blocks, but don't go more than2 blocks then turn tight 3 times. If you turn left thou shalt surely die. (forget that 3 rights equal a left) 

Maybe you should start with book chapter and verse

[Esquilax]

Precisely! And both whether the Bible Exists and whether it works is easily tested! And it Does work. The Book exists, it offers clear instruction, and it works everytime per the promise of God!!

Wow I guess we are on the same page.

Drich, you can't keep up this spiel when we've literally seen you dismiss each and every test that fails as irrelevant because you've built "the test succeeds" into the steps of the test. You're being dishonest.

[Drich]

Did we cover this trick?

You would accept our explanation if you just took a chance and believed. The fact that you don't understand or accept our explanation means that you must never have believed. The fault is not in our explanation or believes but in your inability to just accept.

It's not about taking a chance and just believing. We have all been given a mustard seed's worth of faith. Some take that seed and use it/plant it in such a way as to seek God. while others use that seed and plant it in such a way as to serve self. despite what you do with the seed you have been given, the bottom line is we exert some tiny measure of faith to support whatever it is we want to believe about life and what is to come after.

All the faith required is that to have one simply ask and seek God and continue to do so till you find Him. This is no more 'faith' than we exert in finding a spouce.

[FatAndFaithless]

Sorry Drips, like my favorite grapes I am seedless.

[Drich]

When their argument is refuted, they claim that wasn't their argument but rather some other statement. This cold be a classic Drichism.

lol, are you an old member posting as someone new? Then how would you know if anything I do is 'classic' or not?