Biblical Prayer Contradictions

[Godscreated]

There are no contradictions in the bible, only things that don’t exactly agree with each other. Of course, there is an explanation why that it is all the time. There’s always some backstory that we need to be educated about, in order to have the wisdom to grasp onto the ‘logic’ of those intellectuals back then. Non-christians just don’t get it, cuz we 2 dummm. We’re not ‘blessed’ by god with the interpreting abilities of the christians. What they call interpret, us normal human beings call, having a wild imagination.

So you believe they were not very intellectual back then, please explain this to us then. How is it they knew the stars could not be numbered by any man, I'm sure they could count to much more than 6000, which would be the number of visible stars with the necked eye. Not until very recently did we know the number of stars were so enormous. Not til the first telescopes were invented did we know there were more than 6000 stars. So please tell us how is it those unintellegent people who were writing the scriptures could have known such a fact?

GC

[Minimalist]

So, let's get this straight G-C.  You have never, in your whole life, looked up at the sky on a dark night?



Because if you had you wouldn't say stuff that makes you even dumber.

[Longhorn]

If I point to OT vs NT contradictions, you'll say Jesus came to abolish the law, and if I point to verses that contradict gods omniscience, you can always stretch your interpretation as metaphorical; let's instead focus on the factual contradictions between the gospels alone then

I've picked a few that I consider most clearly contradictory and could not otherwise be assigned to simple error:

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer.

Source: http://www.evilbible.com/contradictions.htm

There are many many more, but let's for the sake of brevity and convenience focus on those three

What do you make of them?

[abaris]

So you believe they were not very intellectual back then, please explain this to us then. How is it they knew the stars could not be numbered by any man, I'm sure they could count to much more than 6000, which would be the number of visible stars with the necked eye.

Wow, that's stupid.

For further elaboration see Mins posted picture.

If we want to talk intellectual, it's better to look at the ancient high cultures, even in close vicinity, who knew more about astronomy than not being able to count the stars.

[Salacious B. Crumb]

It seems as if you (Godschild) don’t know what a contradiction is, so here you go:

con·tra·dic·tion
ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/
noun

1. a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.


Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

These are called contradictions. Or rather, these 3 statements don’t agree with each other on this particular situation.

There are many of these. Neimenovic gave you a list of them, but you don’t care to even give them a thought. You simply dismiss them as not being contradictions, when in fact, they are.

[Godscreated]

So, let's get this straight G-C.  You have never, in your whole life, looked up at the sky on a dark night?



Because if you had you wouldn't say stuff that makes you even dumber.

Count all those in the pic, then make your comment. If I'm not mistaken and I know I'm not that picture was taken with a lens that magnifies.

GC

[Esquilax]

So you believe they were not very intellectual back then, please explain this to us then. How is it they knew the stars could not be numbered by any man, I'm sure they could count to much more than 6000, which would be the number of visible stars with the necked eye. Not until very recently did we know the number of stars were so enormous. Not til the first telescopes were invented did we know there were more than 6000 stars. So please tell us how is it those unintellegent people who were writing the scriptures could have known such a fact?

GC

Um, GC? The stars can be numbered by any man, in that there is a finite amount of them, therefore counting them all is very possible. It's not an impossible task. So the scriptures are wrong on that point.

But even if they were right, you are wrong in attributing it all to magic. In fact, the idea that there are many more stars than could be seen predates the biblical authors; chinese astronomers were aware that new stars could appear, and in fact they were the first to observe a supernova in 185 AD. You are severely overstressing the insight the scriptural writers may have possessed, even if we take you seriously; it was not unique to your religion.

I mean, that's all ignoring the huge argument from ignorance at the center of your claim here: "If you can't explain it, therefore god. "

[Godscreated]

If I point to OT vs NT contradictions, you'll say Jesus came to abolish the law, and if I point to verses that contradict gods omniscience, you can always stretch your interpretation as metaphorical; let's instead focus on the factual contradictions between the gospels alone then

I've picked a few that I consider most clearly contradictory and could not otherwise be assigned to simple error:

15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt.  Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.

Luke did not record the time in Egypt, that in no way means it didn't happen. Many stories have been written about Pearl Harbor and my uncles ship was not mentioned, even though it became one of the most sought after ship by the Japanese to destroy. Just because his sip wasn't mentioned in most stories doesn't mean it wasn't there. mark and John do not record the childhood of Christ at all, so I guess you believe He must have not grown up or we have a new contradiction.

18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus?  Matthew 15:22  "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."  Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."

The woman was a Greek just as Mark said, Matthew only gave the location from where she came. There was a ------- that live in the U.S. and he came out of the U.S. into Canada, what nationality was he.

21) Can one pray in public?  (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer.  (1 Timothy 2:8)  Paul encouraged public prayer.

Jesus taught His disciples to pray in public, yes in front of other people, Jesus himself did so. Jesus taught people in public to pray for other even their enemies and He didn't tell them not to pray before others. In Matthew 6:5-15, Jesus was teaching them not to pray with vanity, even when they pray in private. Jesus wanted those who were serious about their relationship with God to pray not just in public but also in private where it is quite and one can concentrate on what they are doing. In this same set of verses Jesus taught the Lord's prayer which is a public prayer. Jesus never said we could not pray in public. The only thing Jesus condemns in the verses you quoted was those who pray with vanity.

GC

[Godscreated]

So you believe they were not very intellectual back then, please explain this to us then. How is it they knew the stars could not be numbered by any man, I'm sure they could count to much more than 6000, which would be the number of visible stars with the necked eye. Not until very recently did we know the number of stars were so enormous. Not til the first telescopes were invented did we know there were more than 6000 stars. So please tell us how is it those unintellegent people who were writing the scriptures could have known such a fact?

GC

Um, GC? The stars can be numbered by any man, in that there is a finite amount of them, therefore counting them all is very possible. It's not an impossible task. So the scriptures are wrong on that point.

But even if they were right, you are wrong in attributing it all to magic. In fact, the idea that there are many more stars than could be seen predates the biblical authors; chinese astronomers were aware that new stars could appear, and in fact they were the first to observe a supernova in 185 AD. You are severely overstressing the insight the scriptural writers may have possessed, even if we take you seriously; it was not unique to your religion.

I mean, that's all ignoring the huge argument from ignorance at the center of your claim here: "If you can't explain it, therefore god. "  

The number of stars are estimated to be 1022, with a computer counting a trillion of these every second it would take 300 years to count them, so go ahead give it a try. Supernovas were seen only for a short time then they were gone to the human eye. Get back to me when you've counted all the stars.

GC

[abaris]

The number of stars are estimated to be 1022, with a computer counting a trillion of these every second it would take 300 years to count them, so go ahead give it a try. Supernovas were seen only for a short time then they were gone to the human eye. Get back to me when you've counted all the stars.

GC

To which I would respond that you should get back when you fully understand that we're looking at a distant past when watching the stars. The speed of light makes sure of that.