9 Dead in SC church shooting

[Brian37]

You'd think this alleged being would at least protect people when they are in the monument built for him, but no.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../28902017/

[Nope]

Wow. I just saw that this morning. Because of the history of racism and churches in the south, I guessed it was a black church from the clip that my local news showed right before the actual report.

9 people dead, parents, spouses and children lost their loved ones, because of racism

The suspected gunman has a distinctive bowl cut hairstyle. I wonder if he is wearing a wig?

[Brian37]

I am not ready to call this a racist act. I'd have to know if this murderer said anything while shooting. But it could be simply a mentally disturbed individual just like the Newton shooter. If it was racist you could certainly say outside influences lead that sick fuck to that target, but I'd say mental illness regardless is going to come into play.

Even with that theater shooter, I don't like the legal standard of not guilty by reason of mental defect. I think outside a courtroom in psychology, you can know right from wrong, and be mentally ill at the same time. I think you can be guilty and mentally ill at the same time.

I think even with cases of religious violence, you are still talking about delusion and disenfranchisement combined to create acts of desperation.

[Nope]

I am not ready to call this a racist act. I'd have to know if this murderer said anything while shooting. But it could be simply a mentally disturbed individual just like the Newton shooter. If it was racist you could certainly say outside influences lead that sick fuck to that target, but I'd say mental illness regardless is going to come into play.

Even with that theater shooter, I don't like the legal standard of not guilty by reason of mental defect. I think outside a courtroom in psychology, you can know right from wrong, and be mentally ill at the same time. I think you can be guilty and mentally ill at the same time.

I think even with cases of religious violence, you are still talking about delusion and disenfranchisement combined to create acts of desperation.

That is a good point. The shooter could be mentally ill and the fact that he attacked a black church could have been random. Considering the history of racism and burning churches in the south, it is very easy to assume that racism was involved. I still think it might be racism, you are right, we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

CBS just announced that they are going to say what the gunman did before he opened fire. Perhaps that will give some insight into his state of mind at the time of the attack.

If the attacker had been brown and the church members white, this would be called terrorism

[Brian37]

Don't get me wrong, it could be this shooter had mental problems and also was influenced by racists prior. But like I said, even with sickos who join Isis, you have to have something seriously wrong with you to get to the point of wanting to murder like that.

Most important to me in all this, is when the fuck are we going to hold the gun makers for their irresponsible marketing of what are not toys? I want them sued, not to take away all guns, but to get those fuckers to behave and stop marketing a "no rules" flooded market.

[abaris]

Most important to me in all this, is when the fuck are we going to hold the gun makers for their irresponsible marketing of what are not toys? I want them sued, not to take away all guns, but to get those fuckers to behave and stop marketing a "no rules" flooded market.

Well, you need a license to drive a car and the point is to determine if you're actually mentally and physically up to doing it safely. What's wrong with having the same standards for weapons? So politics should be the first point of call.

[Brian37]

Most important to me in all this, is when the fuck are we going to hold the gun makers for their irresponsible marketing of what are not toys? I want them sued, not to take away all guns, but to get those fuckers to behave and stop marketing a "no rules" flooded market.

Well, you need a license to drive a car and the point is to determine if you're actually mentally and physically up to doing it safely. What's wrong with having the same standards for weapons? So politics should be the first point of call.

Gotta take the power away from the corporate owned GOP.

[c172]

http://www.live5news.com/story/29347341/...ect-sought

Senator Pinckney among dead.

[FatAndFaithless]

Gonna be honest, and this might shed a bit of light on the current state of the media, but as soon as I saw the headline I was thinking "Don't be a muslim, don't be a muslim, don't be a muslim", because then the Christians and right wingers would go absolutely insane. Now, it is possible that a white guy in a hoodie can be a muslim, but I'm at least a bit relieved that it wasn't someone who fit into the prevailing media stereotype of "a brown muslim".

[zebo-the-fat]

They were in a church, talking to their god. Was he not listening or does he not give a fuck what happens?