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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:22 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 8:16 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (June 18, 2015 at 8:08 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Against in all but the most exceptional circumstances (war criminals, mass murderers etc).
I don't believe in it because I think rehabilitation and preventional measures are more worth it. Why spend so much money on killing criminals when we could be spending it on trying to prevent crime in the first place? It's a waste.
Also there's always the chance of executing someone innocent.
It's at least four per cent in the US. WAY too many innocent people faced the DP. I'm against it 100% unless a convict asks for it.
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I disagree with the last part because it should be the system deciding the penalty, not the other way around. It's like someone saying "hey I don't want 25 years in jail, I want it for life" - It's not up to individual people to decide their own punishment, you get what the states decides because it's supposedly the most appropriate destiny.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:29 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Dystopia Wrote: (June 18, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: There are cases where I think you could argue that the death penalty would be moral, take Anders Breivik for example - there's no redeeming that guy, we absolutely know that he's guilty, he's un-repentant. The only option we have with someone like that is to keep them in a cell for the rest of their life with no hope of release or execute them. As for the argument that the death penalty make us all murderers, lowers us to being a barbaric society and so on, again using Breivik as an example there are some people who I think it reflects badly upon us if we let them live - there aren't many of these people, don't get me wrong
I voted against though, you can't have it across the board for certain crimes mainly because we don't have perfect information, even if we did I would only reserve it for the "monsters"
Breivik won't live long after he leaves jail 
But seriously - I don't know if he was a psychopath, I think he was just deeply committed to his ideology and believed to be doing the right thing - This is the behaviour of any fundamentalist, and sometimes it can be changed if we treat the person on time... There are some ex-radical muslims now criticizing terrorism because they left the extreme faction they used to belong to. It's hard, but not impossible.
True, I think he could theoretically be un-brainwashed but could you still forgive him for what he did?
Let me deploy the nuclear option here, would you execute Hitler? He was deeply committed to his ideology aswell and possibly not pathologically driven to kill similar to Breivik
My point is that I think everyone has a subjective line in the sand with regards to how many people someone can kill and still be allowed to live, Breivik crosses it for me.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:33 pm
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2015 at 8:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No one -allows- anyone else to live in the first place. What are we talking about here?
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Against.... except in the most egregious of cases...and even then....
And this is why.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Against, with my main reason probably being closest to that articulated by Iroscato.
But I don't see an argument against it I disagree with here. There are more than enough reasons not to do it to go around.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:38 pm
I think those who are voting against and then saying "except for in such and such cases", should vote for.
The poll doesn't specify in how many cases or in what particular cases. If you think it should be used in any case at all, vote for. :p
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:40 pm
A person may have done something so horrible that they've essentially revoked many of their own rights...but their having done something so horrible doesn't absolve any of -us- of our responsibilities.
Are we excused for turning into killers ourselves...in our condemnation of the killings that others have done?
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:45 pm
I support for extreme cases and even then if there's absolutely no doubt.
If there's even a hint of doubt then a life sentence without parole.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:47 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 8:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think those who are voting against and then saying "except for in such and such cases", should vote for.
The poll doesn't specify in how many cases or in what particular cases. If you think it should be used in any case at all, vote for. :p
Already did.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
June 18, 2015 at 8:49 pm
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're only considering the guy to be killed, Beccs, you're forgetting about the guys doing the killing. The general idea is that if a person is "guilty enough" then maybe we can get behind it....and I get that (I really do). But is his being "guilty enough" a reason for you to pull the switch, to become a killer yourself?
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