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Metis · July 5, 2015 at 7:38 pm

(July 5, 2015 at 7:34 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: How does that contradict anything? Really just curious.

If God already knows everything, then he would know how all his plans would turn out long in advance. There would be no need for a Plan B because Plan A would always obtain the desired effect.

Mr.wizard · July 5, 2015 at 7:39 pm

(July 5, 2015 at 7:34 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: How does that contradict anything? Really just curious.

Because an all knowing god couldn't put a plan into effect that he wouldn't already know the outcome. So the idea that he tried it one way in the OT, but then had to change it in the NT because it wasn't working, is contradictory to the idea of omniscience.

popsthebuilder · July 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm

Evidently it knows that all will never believe and that

Mr.wizard · July 5, 2015 at 7:41 pm

(July 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Evidently it knows that all will never believe and that

what

Metis · (This post was last modified: July 5, 2015 at 7:44 pm by Metis.)

(July 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Evidently it knows that all will never believe and that

Exactly. If God as described in traditional theologies is all knowing, he can't be all good because he has designed people explicitly for eternal torment in hell.

If he is all good then he can't be all knowing, because what good guy would create something knowing it would exist solely to be tortured forever and ever?

This isn't actually an atheist argument, but a very popular liberal Christian one. They use it not to show that God doesn't exist, but that the popular conception of him logically has to be mistaken.

Mr.wizard · (This post was last modified: July 5, 2015 at 7:45 pm by Mr.wizard.)

(July 5, 2015 at 7:43 pm)Metis Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Evidently it knows that all will never believe and that

Exactly. If God as described in traditional theologies is all knowing, he can't be all good because he's designed people explicitly for eternal torment in hell.

If he is all good then he can't be all knowing, because what good guy would create something knowing it would exist solely to be tortured forever and ever?

This isn't actually an atheist argument, but a very popular liberal Christian one. They use it not to show that God doesn't exist, but that the popular conception of him logically has to be mistaken.

Wait you understood that response? What the hell was he saying?

popsthebuilder · July 5, 2015 at 7:46 pm

There will be a judgement upon the time that we can no longer sustain physical life here. Really all know this and all are linked to God. If we are energy and you can't destroy energy then you can conclude that all will return the good from which we came or we will go to bad from which we created. There was never a new plan. Our friend worded it poorly. There where messengers and a hole lot less people then and they were more in touch with spiritual reality.

ignoramus · (This post was last modified: July 5, 2015 at 7:47 pm by ignoramus.)

(July 5, 2015 at 12:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Um...apparently not in this age, either.

Nope was referring to the Ark of the Covenant.

Ok then....wrong ark.

I knew which ark.
I watched the documentary: "Raiders of the lost Ark." 3 times.

Metis · July 5, 2015 at 7:46 pm

(July 5, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 7:43 pm)Metis Wrote: Exactly. If God as described in traditional theologies is all knowing, he can't be all good because he's designed people explicitly for eternal torment in hell.

If he is all good then he can't be all knowing, because what good guy would create something knowing it would exist solely to be tortured forever and ever?

This isn't actually an atheist argument, but a very popular liberal Christian one. They use it not to show that God doesn't exist, but that the popular conception of him logically has to be mistaken.
Wait you understood that response? What the hell was he saying?

I think he was saying that God knows most of humanity is going to end up in hell, and if he is all knowing he knew before he created anything.

Mr.wizard · July 5, 2015 at 7:50 pm

(July 5, 2015 at 7:46 pm)Metis Wrote:
(July 5, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Wait you understood that response? What the hell was he saying?

I think he was saying that God knows most of humanity is going to end up in hell, and if he is all knowing he knew before he created anything.

Lol I keep reading it and I cant make heads or tails of it, kudos to you sir for decoding that I don't know how you did it.

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