Let's get the fact's straight

[Cyberman]

Wow, strawman much?

[Pyrrho]

You are a manipulative, sorry existence.

You are free to say that the god character in the Bible is an evil bastard if you want to.  I am not forcing you to say otherwise.  In fact, I am encouraging you not to say otherwise.

You are an example of how religion perverts natural morality.  I would not expect that you are very likely to do the sorts of things on your own that your god commands in the Bible.  But you should stand up to evil, not embrace it.  It is up to you how you react to it, not me.

Religion corrupts morals, and you are a prime example of this fact.  Most people do not say that murdering little children and raping young girls is right and proper.  But if the person is religious and it is found to be commanded by god in the book they regard as holy, they are often ready to embrace it.

I say, give up your evil ways and condemn evil.

[popsthebuilder]

You speak through miss interpretation and only prices of the stories. Any one can take the word kill and put it by itself and instantly think bad about it. Polititians and lawyers are notorious for that. I guess that makes them all knowing and straight forward people though right. You don't know me but think you do because of your incapacity to comprehend something that you don't want to understand, and that you cannot control.

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I condemn evil all the time.

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Condemn chaos.

[Pyrrho]

You speak through miss interpretation and only prices of the stories. Any one can take the word kill and put it by itself and instantly think bad about it. Polititians and lawyers are notorious for that. I guess that makes them all knowing and straight forward people though right. You don't know me but think you do because of your incapacity to comprehend something that you don't want to understand, and  that you cannot control.

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I condemn evil all the time.

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Condemn chaos.

You might want to work on your language skills, as some of that is just gibberish.

As for the story in Numbers 31, little children are murdered.  Young girls are raped.  Unless you are a sick freak, ordinarily, you would regard such things as immoral.  However, because it is commanded by your god, your natural tendencies you disavow, and instead say that these obviously immoral things are somehow good.  That is, assuming you are not some sick freak, which I freely admit I cannot be certain of, as I do not know you.  Statistically speaking, though, it is a good guess, and it is also the non-insulting guess to make about you.

However, since you are making such a fuss about the fact that I don't know you, are you now telling us that your natural tendency is to regard the murder of small children as a good thing, and the rape of young girls as a good thing?  Have I made a mistake in supposing that you ordinary would regard those things as wrong?  By all means, clear up this point if you wish.  But in the case of most religionists, they are normally against such things, but their natural morality is perverted by such sick stories when they believe their god approves.  Of course, that does not apply to sick freaks.  To a sick freak, the story may well seem normal and fine.

[Excited Penguin]

Statistically speaking, though, it is a good guess, and it is also the non-insulting guess to make about you.

Are you saying sick freaks are the norm, or something?

If not, don't bother answering.

[popsthebuilder]

You speak through miss interpretation and only prices of the stories. Any one can take the word kill and put it by itself and instantly think bad about it. Polititians and lawyers are notorious for that. I guess that makes them all knowing and straight forward people though right. You don't know me but think you do because of your incapacity to comprehend something that you don't want to understand, and  that you cannot control.

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I condemn evil all the time.

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Condemn chaos.

You might want to work on your language skills, as some of that is just gibberish.

As for the story in Numbers 31, little children are murdered.  Young girls are raped.  Unless you are a sick freak, ordinarily, you would regard such things as immoral.  However, because it is commanded by your god, your natural tendencies you disavow, and instead say that these obviously immoral things are somehow good.  That is, assuming you are not some sick freak, which I freely admit I cannot be certain of, as I do not know you.  Statistically speaking, though, it is a good guess, and it is also the non-insulting guess to make about you.

However, since you are making such a fuss about the fact that I don't know you, are you now telling us that your natural tendency is to regard the murder of small children as a good thing, and the rape of young girls as a good thing?  Have I made a mistake in supposing that you ordinary would regard those things as wrong?  By all means, clear up this point if you wish.  But in the case of most religionists, they are normally against such things, but their natural morality is perverted by such sick stories when they believe their god approves.  Of course, that does not apply to sick freaks.  To a sick freak, the story may well seem normal and fine.

The story you speak of explicitly says not to harm any young girls. The boys were of there fathers blood and would do as there fathers did. It is all pertaining to the betterment of man. Of course I don't think the things you listed are morally right. They also aren't what is in the Bible. Stop taking shit out of context and embellishing it. That is called lying.

[Pyrrho]

You might want to work on your language skills, as some of that is just gibberish.

As for the story in Numbers 31, little children are murdered.  Young girls are raped.  Unless you are a sick freak, ordinarily, you would regard such things as immoral.  However, because it is commanded by your god, your natural tendencies you disavow, and instead say that these obviously immoral things are somehow good.  That is, assuming you are not some sick freak, which I freely admit I cannot be certain of, as I do not know you.  Statistically speaking, though, it is a good guess, and it is also the non-insulting guess to make about you.

However, since you are making such a fuss about the fact that I don't know you, are you now telling us that your natural tendency is to regard the murder of small children as a good thing, and the rape of young girls as a good thing?  Have I made a mistake in supposing that you ordinary would regard those things as wrong?  By all means, clear up this point if you wish.  But in the case of most religionists, they are normally against such things, but their natural morality is perverted by such sick stories when they believe their god approves.  Of course, that does not apply to sick freaks.  To a sick freak, the story may well seem normal and fine.

The story you speak of explicitly says not to harm any young girls.

So you believe rape isn't harming them?

The boys were of there fathers blood and would do as there fathers did.

Two things. First, the girls they kept to rape are also of their father's blood.

Second, are you saying that you are unable to do things differently from your father? That having your father's blood makes you incapable of acting differently from your father?

It is all pertaining to the betterment of man.

It is all about you trying to rationalize rape and murder.

If there were a good god that was omnipotent and omniscient, it would use better means to achieve its goals. Murder and rape are wrong, and every decent person knows that.

Of course I don't think the things you listed are morally right. They also aren't what is in the Bible.

You need to read it again if you believe that. Killing little children is murder, whether commanded by god or not. Look up the word "murder" in a dictionary and you will see that there is no exception for it being commanded by god. The same is true of the word "rape."

Stop taking shit out of context and embellishing it. That is called lying.

I am simply going by what it says. I have not embellished the story at all. I have added nothing to the story. You are pretending that murder and rape are okay if god commands it. Your bullshit excuses are just bullshit excuses, nothing more. Falsely calling me a liar changes nothing.

[dyresand]

You might want to work on your language skills, as some of that is just gibberish.

As for the story in Numbers 31, little children are murdered.  Young girls are raped.  Unless you are a sick freak, ordinarily, you would regard such things as immoral.  However, because it is commanded by your god, your natural tendencies you disavow, and instead say that these obviously immoral things are somehow good.  That is, assuming you are not some sick freak, which I freely admit I cannot be certain of, as I do not know you.  Statistically speaking, though, it is a good guess, and it is also the non-insulting guess to make about you.

However, since you are making such a fuss about the fact that I don't know you, are you now telling us that your natural tendency is to regard the murder of small children as a good thing, and the rape of young girls as a good thing?  Have I made a mistake in supposing that you ordinary would regard those things as wrong?  By all means, clear up this point if you wish.  But in the case of most religionists, they are normally against such things, but their natural morality is perverted by such sick stories when they believe their god approves.  Of course, that does not apply to sick freaks.  To a sick freak, the story may well seem normal and fine.

The story you speak of explicitly says not to harm any young girls. The boys were of there fathers blood and would do as there fathers did. It is all pertaining to the betterment of man. Of course I don't think the things you listed are morally right. They also aren't what is in the Bible. Stop taking shit out of context and embellishing it. That is called lying.

yeah no 

Numbers 31 New International Version (NIV)
Vengeance on the Midianites
31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
19 “Anyone who has killed someone or touched someone who was killed must stay outside the camp seven days. On the third and seventh days you must purify yourselves and your captives. 20 Purify every garment as well as everything made of leather, goat hair or wood.”
21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the soldiers who had gone into battle, “This is what is required by the law that the Lord gave Moses: 22 Gold, silver, bronze, iron, tin, lead 23 and anything else that can withstand fire must be put through the fire, and then it will be clean. But it must also be purified with the water of cleansing. And whatever cannot withstand fire must be put through that water.24 On the seventh day wash your clothes and you will be clean. Then you may come into the camp.”
Dividing the Spoils
25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured.27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.”31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61;
40 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Meaning these people and animals are being sacrafices
41 Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lordcommanded Moses.
42 The half belonging to the Israelites, which Moses set apart from that of the fighting men— 43 the community’s half—was 337,500 sheep, 44 36,000 cattle,45 30,500 donkeys 46 and 16,000 people. 47 From the Israelites’ half, Moses selected one out of every fifty people and animals, as the Lord commanded him, and gave them to the Levites, who were responsible for the care of theLord’s tabernacle.
48 Then the officers who were over the units of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—went to Moses 49 and said to him, “Your servants have counted the soldiers under our command, and not one is missing. 50 So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.”
51 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted from them the gold—all the crafted articles. 52 All the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds that Moses and Eleazar presented as a gift to the Lord weighed 16,750 shekels.[a] 53 Each soldier had taken plunder for himself. 54 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorialfor the Israelites before the Lord.
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(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

 

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

 
    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
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 (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

 

    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

 
[i]    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.[/i]

[i]moses and god approve of rape....[/i]

[Spooky]

Having read the bible cover to cover (More than one version), I can confidently say it's bullshit.

Roger Zelazny could have written a more convincing bible.


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[popsthebuilder]

You still have to know what 15 16 are referenceing. They were the people who were deceitfull, who made the Israelites turn from the path and sin and have plaque. They were instructed to completely annihilate them so the Israelites wouldn't be strayed again later. What you still don't get is that war was everywhere you looked at that time. It was different times and societal norms. Just like now people say that they can't relate to the Bible. That's because shit was really different then. The Israelites were the fighters as was Yah. It had to be that way because of cercumstance. It told them to slaughter whatever had been manipulated. It was extreme. And as I have said over a hundred times. The book was manipulated by evil.

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It never tells anyone to force intercourse

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Everything had evil in it from its possessors. Remember this is still when people knew about there situation. Also when there were different species of man. Some like giants apparently.

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Having read the bible cover to cover (More than one version), I can confidently say it's bullshit.

Roger Zelazny could have written a more convincing bible.


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Having read five separate texts. I can already attest that they are fundamentally and in many cases completely the same, and not bullshit. In fact when these writings are added to the other proof I have been shown it makes for one good case. Literally.

The story you speak of explicitly says not to harm any young girls. The boys were of there fathers blood and would do as there fathers did. It is all pertaining to the betterment of man. Of course I don't think the things you listed are morally right. They also aren't what is in the Bible. Stop taking shit out of context and embellishing it. That is called lying.

yeah no 

Numbers 31 New International Version (NIV)
Vengeance on the Midianites
31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
19 “Anyone who has killed someone or touched someone who was killed must stay outside the camp seven days. On the third and seventh days you must purify yourselves and your captives. 20 Purify every garment as well as everything made of leather, goat hair or wood.”
21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the soldiers who had gone into battle, “This is what is required by the law that the Lord gave Moses: 22 Gold, silver, bronze, iron, tin, lead 23 and anything else that can withstand fire must be put through the fire, and then it will be clean. But it must also be purified with the water of cleansing. And whatever cannot withstand fire must be put through that water.24 On the seventh day wash your clothes and you will be clean. Then you may come into the camp.”
Dividing the Spoils
25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured.27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the Lord’s tabernacle.”31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61;
40 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. Meaning these people and animals are being sacrafices
41 Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lordcommanded Moses.
42 The half belonging to the Israelites, which Moses set apart from that of the fighting men— 43 the community’s half—was 337,500 sheep, 44 36,000 cattle,45 30,500 donkeys 46 and 16,000 people. 47 From the Israelites’ half, Moses selected one out of every fifty people and animals, as the Lord commanded him, and gave them to the Levites, who were responsible for the care of theLord’s tabernacle.
48 Then the officers who were over the units of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—went to Moses 49 and said to him, “Your servants have counted the soldiers under our command, and not one is missing. 50 So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.”
51 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted from them the gold—all the crafted articles. 52 All the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds that Moses and Eleazar presented as a gift to the Lord weighed 16,750 shekels.[a] 53 Each soldier had taken plunder for himself. 54 Moses and Eleazar the priest accepted the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorialfor the Israelites before the Lord.
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(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

 

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

 
    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
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 (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

 

    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

 
[i]    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.[/i]

[i]moses and god approve of rape....[/i]