IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL

[Darkstar]

Infinite punishment is not justified by finite crime.

[pocaracas]

ffs, why do you guys keep giving them some fodder?!

The OP states "IF God exists". That's all they need!!
If god exists, the bible is the truth and all that comes after...


In the most likely event that god does not exist, what is making people believe that it does exist?
Psychological comfort?

[Ryantology]

The most pitiful men do not take responsibility for their own actions, tell us how does it feel to be so pitiful.

We do take responsibility for ourselves, the good and the bad, by refusing to pretend that our lives are directed by an invisible sky terrorist.

We accept that the evil men do is the evil of men. We also accept that the good men do is to our credit. We can be bad people for our own reasons, we can be good people, also, for our own reasons.

I argue that God is a being of evil under the assumption that the bible is factual. Of course, it is not and I do not actually believe my argument. You do believe in God, though, and you approve of the crimes said to be attributable to him. There is no evil god, but there is an evil death cult in his name spreading misery and stupidity.

There is no god to take responsibility for the crimes of his followers. The real criminals are the followers themselves, who spread their gospel of hatred and death and threaten people with eternal damnation if they don't accept it.

[Godscreated]

[spoiler]

You totally ignored all of what I stated, yes it's obvious you will eliminate truth to fit your crude and useless thoughts. This was answered in my reply to Spec-of-dust.

What is the truth, then? That God is incapable of providing for everyone, or simply unwilling? Is he cruel or is he impotent?

God is capable of making enough food, and your socialist view would have you to condemn Him for not doing something that's man's responsibility. If you had knowledge of the scriptures you would know God gave man dominion over the planet, so it is us who have the responsibility to provide. Man's greed, laziness and uncaring ways have brought this upon the world. Isn't this the real world view you should have as a nonbeliever.

Yep, then your free will, will have disappeared.

Millions of people who starve have little or no individual capacity to change their situation for the better, because a lot of them are infants and children. Tell a two year old starving to death in Somalia how awesome God is for giving her 'free will'.

This is about the dumbest statement I've ever heard, you do not even know what free will is, so how is it you expect a 2 year old child to understand, you must believe it could to make such a statement. People are suppose to be helping each other world wide, but instead the rich are getting richer and the poorest suffer. Christianity does more to help the poor of the world than any other organization, so don't tell me God does not work to help. Just how many wells would 1/2 of Bill Gate's money dig, yeah enough to provide water to all the Somalians. With water for everyone and things begin to change among the people of a country.

What does omnipotence have to do with creating two opposing ideas, it can not be both ways. If you can't see this, then you need to sharpen your reasoning skills.

Omnipotence implies that anything is possible.

This is worse than the above statement, you're going down hill quickly, better grab hold of some reasoning and hang on. Omnipotence means the ability to do all that is possible, not that everything is possible, that kind of thinking does little to make you seem competent.

Man makes evil and sin, so why should God protect you from it.

I bet you're one of those dicks who blames molested children, because the pedophile would not have touched them if they had not sinned.

I know you're an idiot, one who cares nothing for humanity. Only a really disturbed person can make such a statement.

Sin brought dangers into the world and I believe God has left them here to remind us of what we have done.

I bet you blame rape victims, too, especially when they 'dress like sluts'.

You are a terrible human being, which makes you a great Christian.

Me terrible, again anyone that makes a statement like that is truly disturbed, you need to get some real help before you fall over the edge.

[Norfolk And Chance]

This is about the dumbest statement I've ever heard,

Did you really just say that to someone who lives in reality?

[SpecUVdust]

Please allow me to clarify this thread:

1-The bible is ALL bullshit as it contradicts itself at every turn and implies throughout that it is false.

2- if you believe the bible to be "correct", then enough "study" of it and you WILL know its bullshit because... It contradicts itself at every turn and implies throughout that it is false.

Lots of people similar to GC will go their entire lives without ever evolving enough to understand evolution...Like a chimp. Lots of people will worship god most of their lives, but have an enlightenment at some point to the effect that they know the bible to be false. Many will admit the errors of the bible now and never respect it. Even more will NOT be raised to worship a god. The last ten years have actually been profound for atheists. The world IS becoming atheist... Or I should say the world is becoming reasonable. There are plenty of unreasonable people, sure, but they WILL die with their beliefs.

The secret to evolution is time and death- Carl Sagan

[Lion IRC]

The most pitiful men do not take responsibility for their own actions, tell us how does it feel to be so pitiful.

You irritate me more than words can describe.

I think I actually fucking hate you.

That means your spreading the good news went badly wrong somewhere.

That would depend on what you personally find ''good''.

Love?
Forgiveness?
Gratitude for that which you did nothing to earn?
The idea of a Higher Authority?

You are not alone. Many people hate the Good News.

[SpecUVdust]

You KNOW that less and less people raise their children with theist views. With that knowledge, YOU now feel even closer to your god and have stronger faith. But you ar a dying breed. Whereas the crap that pour out of Christians mouths will become more and more unreasonable, the mouths will become less and less.

When religion dies, we will have taken a big step in evolution. Arguably our most important step.

[Darkstar]

That would depend on what you personally find ''good''.

Love?

What's wrong with that?

Forgiveness?

How much? Jesus said to love thy enemy. If you are willing to forgive anything then people will walk all over you, but it is important to forgive things that people genuinely apologize for and that are not earth shattering.

Gratitude for that which you did nothing to earn?

What do you mean by this?

The idea of a Higher Authority?

Well, leaving all of the power in the universe in the hands of one being probably won't end well. If he weren't such a brutal "worship me without proof of my existence of burn forever" tyrant, people might be more accepting.

[Lion IRC]

You KNOW that less and less people raise their children with theist views. With that knowledge, YOU now feel even closer to your god and have stronger faith. But you ar a dying breed. Whereas the crap that pour out of Christians mouths will become more and more unreasonable, the mouths will become less and less.

When religion dies, we will have taken a big step in evolution. Arguably our most important step.

When people no longer care about how/why we got here and where we are going after death, then religion will be history.