To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Let's sit everyone down and tell them not to commit potential atrocities.

Why not? We're basically warned about plagiarism systematically in every single course that involves writing, and cheating in every single course that involves exams. Multiple times. If it's worth it to do it for these academic offences, why not for offences that people do commit in moments of rage/impulse?

If you're not being sarcastic then nvm.

[Gilgamesh]

Let's sit everyone down and tell them not to commit potential atrocities.

Why not? We're basically warned about plagiarism systematically in every single course that involves writing, and cheating in every single course that involves exams. Multiple times. If it's worth it to do it for these academic offences, why not for offences that people do commit in moments of rage/impulse?

If you're not being sarcastic then nvm.

Not being sarcastic. But what if instead of everyone, we sit down just the women in society and tell them not to commit a certain crime? It'd be almost like we're saying no woman is any better than to commit whatever such crime we decide to tell them not to commit.

I hope that answers your question as to why we don't tell all men not to rape outright.

[Psykhronic]

Why don't we tell everyone not to violate anyone else's body then. The point is though, right now something like that IS happening - but to women, and you don't seem to give a fuck. The idea is not to place the burden of rape ONLY on men, but on any individual perpetuating the crime. Not the victims.

And I'm done taking your bait now!

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Why not? We're basically warned about plagiarism systematically in every single course that involves writing, and cheating in every single course that involves exams. Multiple times. If it's worth it to do it for these academic offences, why not for offences that people do commit in moments of rage/impulse?

If you're not being sarcastic then nvm.

Not being sarcastic. But what if instead of everyone, we sit down just the women in society and tell them not to commit a certain crime? It'd be almost like we're saying no woman is any better than to commit whatever such crime we decide to tell them not to commit.

I hope that answers your question as to why we don't tell all men not to rape outright.

Is there a crime that is hurtful to people at the level of rape/assault/battery/murder/theft that is committed by mostly women?

[Gilgamesh]

Not being sarcastic. But what if instead of everyone, we sit down just the women in society and tell them not to commit a certain crime? It'd be almost like we're saying no woman is any better than to commit whatever such crime we decide to tell them not to commit.

I hope that answers your question as to why we don't tell all men not to rape outright.

Is there a crime that is hurtful to people at the level of rape/assault/battery/murder/theft that is committed by mostly women?

I don't believe there is. Also, if you were to ask me of my opinion, I'd have no problem with what you suppose - that targeting men with anti-rape messages should come to pass.

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Why don't we tell everyone not to violate anyone else's body then.

Indeed.

The point is though, right now something like that IS happening - but to women, and you don't seem to give a fuck.

I do. I care about a great many injustices. On the topic of rape, I care both when women are raped, and when men are raped in the prison system.

And I'm taking your bait now!

When I don't agree with someone, I claim troll, too. When a belief I'm emotionally invested in is challenged, I claim troll, too.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I think people should at least do it with their sons. It's not about accusing your son of being a bad person, it's educating them about something they're not familiar about at younger ages.

Anyway I do think any group who is predisposed to commit certain crimes should be reminded that they shouldn't, if not systematically, at least by the people who care about them.

[Zazzy]

I agree with Nora's point way earlier in this post. And I find that the fact the thread has turned into mehmet's instructions for how girls can protect themselves is actually proving the case.

How many of you have ever sat a man down, tell him a few rape stories and how the victims survived it and tell them never to try things like these? Do you tell them don't drink so much that you may accidentally rape someone and not remember? Do you tell them to always ask and if they're not sure never never do it?

Because as a woman many people in my life have taken the liberty to sit me down and tell me how to be careful to prevent rape. I know they do it because they worry but why haven't they done it to men? I see posts on my fb about brutal rape cases and the ending is always: tell all the women you know to not (insert whatever the victim did), because they may increase chances of being raped. It never says: tell all the men you know not to do this.

My parents actually did actually have discussions with me about cheating in school and stealing stuff. They also tell me never to physically attack anybody except in self defence. They told me when I was a child that crime is never worth it and I'll lose everything just for one moment's stupidity. But after reading a few rape testimonials, it's as if the boy only realized after everything that he raped the girl. Many of them didn't realize it was rape. ?!

This is so true. Why aren't we teaching boys from a very young age about this? Many rapists have no idea that what they have done is wrong (but she's my ex-girlfriend! We've done it a hundred times!). And often they DO get reported and prosecuted and now they're labeled a sex criminal forever (I don't know about other countries, but in the US if convicted of a sex crime you have to resister with the police in your area FOREVER.)

I know someone who was just on a Grand Jury, and they had loads of weird sexual assault cases, many of them perpetrated by otherwise good guys (often the girls are shocked that such a nice guy would do this to them), and the Grand Juries feel awful about indicting them and condemning them to lives of being labeled as sexual predators. But they do indict them, no matter what nice guys they otherwise are.

There are many reasons why we need to constantly and explicitly educate boys and men about the need to make absolutely sure your partner is purring like a kitten before and during a sex act.

[Tonus]

Part of that may be cultural. It would not surprise me if a majority of men here (in the US), given the example of a husband or boyfriend who forces himself on his wife/girlfriend, would believe that it isn't rape. To them, rape is something that happens in a dark city alley between strangers. When it comes to that form of rape, they may be as sympathetic to the woman and as furious towards the perpetrator as you would hope. But the former is a completely different scenario to them. I do think that explaining to young men what rape encompasses would be very helpful in closing that gap in understanding.

[Psykhronic]

When I don't agree with someone, I claim troll, too. When a belief I'm emotionally invested in is challenged, I claim troll, too.

Really? I don't. What a strange way of going about things. You're on my troll list, has nothing to do with agreeing or being emotionally invested.

[Something completely different]

Gilgamesh has a very small penis.




Keep that in mind when reading any of his posts, especialy the effect this has on the posts he makes.