Hello, i am a real Christian

[Violet]

small number. 9/11 ? 3000 dead. Jonestown ? a thousand.

I forgot to mention the crusades...theres another 200,000 dead for an GOD that does not exist.

But they didn't really die, now did they?

They either entered into the eternal slavery of Heaven... or they entered into the limitless freedom of eternal Hell.

Doesn't sound to me like any of them died at all...

[KichigaiNeko]

So Yahwe was true then, but not now.

And if he is omnisentient why would he need to test Abe at all, shouldn't he already know?

If he was discouraging human sacrifice then why was it then necessary to sacrifice JC to atone for our
sins?

And if Yahwe was the god of the time, what was your "true" god doing?

I too am curious as to your answers TC...

And they are??

[True Christian]

Shiny, he thinks that's a different god than his... and that it's only a myth. His god is only in the NT. Don't you know that he's a '"real Christian"?

Not a real christian, but a True one

guess ill explain that : im a true CHRISTIAN because i only believe in CHRIST, by extension the New Testament, and not the crazy murdering desert God that the Jews worship.

I also never said you have the wrong interpretations of the New Testament, at least i dont recall doing so. To me the New Testament is factual.

Actually, that was pretty close.

Although i would not call Yahwe a "murdering desert God". He did give Moses the 10 Commandements, or stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son (thus discouraging human sacrifice). He was, at his time, the closest thing to the real God. But he was not Him, because the True God does not have a "chosen" people.

But yes, the "True" in my name is because i believe in the story of the Christ and not the story of the Old Testament.

So Yahwe was true then, but not now.

And if he is omnisentient why would he need to test Abe at all, shouldn't he already know?

If he was discouraging human sacrifice then why was it then necessary to sacrifice JC to atone for our
sins?

And if Yahwe was the god of the time, what was your "true" god doing?

Talk about a self contradictory belief system!

Alright it seems you reaaaaaally want an answer

Yahwe doesnt exist. So it doesnt matter why he would test Abe. He isnt the one who sacrificed Jesus, the real God did.
The Old Testament, to me, is an old law that had moral principles and worshipped a false God. Jesus put them on the right track, by sending the true message of the Lord, but also agreeing with some of the moral principles of the old law (10 commandments for example)
I dont know what the real God was doing, but his only direct interaction with humanity is sending Jesus to Earth, so you might also ask what he was doing at the time of the dinosaurs or what he is doing now, I DONT KNOW, because im not God.

[Edwardo Piet]

And why do you believe that this 'God' exists?

EDIT: 6000TH POST ... W000000000T

EvF

[KichigaiNeko]

Alright it seems you reaaaaaally want an answer

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Yahwe doesnt exist. So it doesnt matter why he would test Abe. He isnt the one who sacrificed Jesus, the real God did.
The Old Testament, to me, is an old law that had moral principles and worshipped a false God. Jesus put them on the right track, by sending the true message of the Lord, but also agreeing with some of the moral principles of the old law (10 commandments for example)
I dont know what the real God was doing, but his only direct interaction with humanity is sending Jesus to Earth, so you might also ask what he was doing at the time of the dinosaurs or what he is doing now

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, I DONT KNOW, because im not God.

Well at LEAST "I don't know" is an honsest answer. Doesn't do much to support your belief system it would seem.

[Edwardo Piet]

If by, 'it doesn't do much' you meant "it doesn't do anything at all" then I completely agree with you Kich

EvF

[Welsh cake]

actually, i have life-altering exams in 4 days and i cannot spend hours every day answering every question that i get, sorry. I try, but these forums, as interesting as they are, do not take priority over real life.

And I've to construct a huge stone wall this bank holiday weekend before the bad weather sets in. I'm exhausted so who here is going to care? Look, we've all got commitments, responsibilities and lives outside this message board, and you are no exception. The difference between you and others here is that we don't bother using such weak excuses when we can't make for a convincing counterargument. If you really do have upcoming exams then you need to prioritise young man! ^^

Thing is, im pretty sure that in your head you have already branded me as someone who ignores difficult questions, making me a hypocrit. It is easier for you to see me that way, because by making me a hypocrit you dont have to think about my answers, since they will all be lies in your eyes. It is EXACTLY what fundamentalist Christians do towards atheists. They see them as sinners, so they dont have to think about what they say, sinners being always wrong.

Firstly, cease making erroneous assumptions and get back to your argument, it would be appreciated if you'd acknowledge the harmful effects of religion for one moment. Secondly, for the love of the English language use apostrophes once in a while and "hypocrit" is spelt "hypocrite"! I'm sorry I'm being so pedantic, but kindly use a spellchecker before posting, it doesn't cost you a penny:-

http://www.spellchecker.net/spellcheck/

[True Christian]

actually, i have life-altering exams in 4 days and i cannot spend hours every day answering every question that i get, sorry. I try, but these forums, as interesting as they are, do not take priority over real life.

And I've to construct a huge stone wall this bank holiday weekend before the bad weather sets in. I'm exhausted so who here is going to care? Look, we've all got commitments, responsibilities and lives outside this message board, and you are no exception. The difference between you and others here is that we don't bother using such weak excuses when we can't make for a convincing counterargument. If you really do have upcoming exams then you need to prioritise young man! ^^

Thing is, im pretty sure that in your head you have already branded me as someone who ignores difficult questions, making me a hypocrit. It is easier for you to see me that way, because by making me a hypocrit you dont have to think about my answers, since they will all be lies in your eyes. It is EXACTLY what fundamentalist Christians do towards atheists. They see them as sinners, so they dont have to think about what they say, sinners being always wrong.

Firstly, cease making erroneous assumptions and get back to your argument, it would be appreciated if you'd acknowledge the harmful effects of religion for one moment. Secondly, for the love of the English language use apostrophes once in a while and "hypocrit" is spelt "hypocrite"! I'm sorry I'm being so pedantic, but kindly use a spellchecker before posting, it doesn't cost you a penny:-

http://www.spellchecker.net/spellcheck/

English isnt my first language, i do my best not to make mistakes though...

These are not assumptions, the assumption is that i cannot answer the question and chose to avoid it. If you make assumptions its fine but if i make them im wrong ?
It was not a weak excuse, i answered his question, but it seems that you cannot fathom the possibility that i have limited time.
Also about the question he accused me of not answering, i answered it earlier when i talked about Yawhe and Zeus being the same kind of being. Another reason why his assumption that i am avoiding the question is laughable.

Also, for the love of God, please stop saying i dont see the wrongdoings of religion...i OPENED MY POST saying i know it has done bad things, i have repeated over and over that i know religion does bad things, all i am saying is that the good outweighs the bad.

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Well at LEAST "I don't know" is an honsest answer. Doesn't do much to support your belief system it would seem.
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...there are some things i do not know, i do not know what God thinks. However all that is written in the Gospel is sufficient information to know everything i need to know.

Why is the Gospel different than other religious texts ? because most religious texts like the old testament come from hearsays and legends that have been passed around for generations before being written down, however the Gospels are testimonies of people that knew Jesus.

[KichigaiNeko]

If by, 'it doesn't do much' you meant "it doesn't do anything at all" then I completely agree with you Kich

EvF

lol EvF

Came over all charitable there EvF

But you are right. It does NOTHING to support TC's belief system. Seems like he is making it all up from weekly Evangelistic 'Hours of Powerz'

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Well at LEAST "I don't know" is an honest answer. Doesn't do much to support your belief system it would seem.

...there are some things i do not know, i do not know what God thinks. However all that is written in the Gospel is sufficient information to know everything i need to know.

So essentially you have been given this 'Gospel' and you have swallowed this "knowledge" as "THE BE ALL AND END ALL TRUTH' and have shut your brain down, closed off any further enquiry, and will not consider questioning EVER, just what this 'Gospel' is on about and where it presumes to get it's authority??

Why is the Gospel different than other religious texts ? because most religious texts like the old testament come from hearsays and legends that have been passed around for generations before being written down, however the Gospels are testimonies of people that knew Jesus.

I think you SERIOUSLY NEED TO RESEARCH just where this 'gospel' actually come from. How it was developed and the myths that were spun to support it.

Essentially you are not a true christian, you're just a modern day pagan pretending a Semitic genetic background.....this is my thinking.

[Zen Badger]

Yahwe doesnt exist. So it doesnt matter why he would test Abe. He isnt the one who sacrificed Jesus, the real God did.
The Old Testament, to me, is an old law that had moral principles and worshipped a false God. Jesus put them on the right track, by sending the true message of the Lord, but also agreeing with some of the moral principles of the old law (10 commandments for example)
I dont know what the real God was doing, but his only direct interaction with humanity is sending Jesus to Earth, so you might also ask what he was doing at the time of the dinosaurs or what he is doing now, I DONT KNOW, because im not God.

Well it's interesting you now claim that yahwe didn't actually exist, because to quote you directly:

"Although i would not call Yahwe a "murdering desert God". He did give Moses the 10 Commandements, or stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son (thus discouraging human sacrifice). He was, at his time, the closest thing to the real God. But he was not Him, because the True God does not have a "chosen" people." End quote.

You are quite clearly stating here that he did exist.

It appears to me that you don't really know what you believe.