Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 16, 2024, 2:31 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 28, 2017 at 12:40 am)dyresand Wrote:
(June 15, 2017 at 9:30 am)Lutrinae Wrote: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/casp...tly-answer


6. god lied to adam and eve.

Appears you believe the conversation took place or maybe you just got up on the wrong side-of-the bed.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 12:13 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I answered the ones you posted earlier. You did not ask me a question you made a statement about another paying for your sins, and ask what I thought about the verses pertaining to Christ's part in the act of mercy. I hate that my sin was responsible for what He went through, I'm glad He did accomplish what he set out to do through His love for mankind, an unconditional love. If He had not my destination would certainly be different than what it is.
There we go.  See, I hate that a god would make such an immoral thing the succes or failure condition for a soul.  He could have made it anything he wanted..being god, one presumes.  It could have even been doing good things..you know, being a good person.  But I'm digressing into insanity again, I suppose.

No, He couldn't have done anything different, if He could have don't you think He would have spared Jesus the horrors He had to endure, I know he would have. You seem to live on the edge of insanity. It's the way that the creator pays for and corrects what the created did. You yourself have said many times that God should fix this messed up world, He did and you have yet to realize it.

Quote:Now you going to answer my question or keep playing games?

GC

Khemikla Wrote:Now, what did you want examples of again? 

Do you know what omnipresence is, as pertaining to God?

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 12:45 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: There we go.  See, I hate that a god would make such an immoral thing the succes or failure condition for a soul.  He could have made it anything he wanted..being god, one presumes.  It could have even been doing good things..you know, being a good person.  But I'm digressing into insanity again, I suppose.

No, He couldn't have done anything different, if He could have don't you think He would have spared Jesus the horrors He had to endure, I know he would have. You seem to live on the edge of insanity. It's the way that the creator pays for and corrects what the created did. You yourself have said many times that God should fix this messed up world, He did and you have yet to realize it.

Quote:Now you going to answer my question or keep playing games?

GC

Khemikla Wrote:Now, what did you want examples of again? 

Do you know what omnipresence is, as pertaining to God?

GC

Are you fucking shitting me? The creator builds into the creation an imperfection, intentionally, that the creator finds distasteful, and yet assumes none of the fucking blame for that and places it squarely on the helpless creation that cannot possibly, by design, rid itself of that imperfection? The god who is so childish, so miniscule, as to be unable to own up to that, or at least not completely shift the blame elsewhere and just say, 'You know what, it's cool. I understand.' You are literally describing a god who is intentionally trying to be a complete piece of shit.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

---

There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 28, 2017 at 11:32 am)vorlon13 Wrote: countered by all the ones where he does

No, you haven't supplied any in which he explicitly says that. You've inferred it indirectly. When we don't have a direct and explicit statement, then inference from the indirect is fine. But, in this case we do have the direct and explicit statement, so inference is not needed.

Quote:Can pointing out more bible contradictions really help your cause ?

You're not "pointing out" a contradiction, you're inventing one by making incorrect inferences.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 12:45 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: There we go.  See, I hate that a god would make such an immoral thing the succes or failure condition for a soul.  He could have made it anything he wanted..being god, one presumes.  It could have even been doing good things..you know, being a good person.  But I'm digressing into insanity again, I suppose.

No, He couldn't have done anything different, if He could have don't you think He would have spared Jesus the horrors He had to endure, I know he would have. You seem to live on the edge of insanity. It's the way that the creator pays for and corrects what the created did. You yourself have said many times that God should fix this messed up world, He did and you have yet to realize it.
Seems like an arbitrary limit to the ability and wisdom of god, in service of conveniently excusing base immorality.  In any case, if that's true, and almighty god, the lord of creation, couldn't just do what humans do routinely - and he couldn't find a way other than stringing some poor fucker up, I don't want anything to do with that or that god.  

It's useless, to me.  

Quote:Do you know what omnipresence is, as pertaining to God?

GC

Sure, a claimed attribute of a fictional entity.  One wonders whether you believe it anyway.  Is god omnipresent at the tip of the peen in every sexual assualt?  Riding in and out?  Victim screaming, perp grunting...god, silent?

Useless to me, obviously useless to the victim - handy for the perp.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 9:58 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 29, 2017 at 12:45 am)Godscreated Wrote: No, He couldn't have done anything different, if He could have don't you think He would have spared Jesus the horrors He had to endure, I know he would have. You seem to live on the edge of insanity. It's the way that the creator pays for and corrects what the created did. You yourself have said many times that God should fix this messed up world, He did and you have yet to realize it.
Seems like an arbitrary limit to the ability and wisdom of god, in service of conveniently excusing base immorality.  In any case, if that's true, and almighty god, the lord of creation, couldn't just do what humans do routinely - and he couldn't find a way other than stringing some poor fucker up, I don't want anything to do with that or that god.  

It's useless, to me.  

There was no limit, God made the ultimate sacrifice because man has screwed everything up He went as far as was possible for us.   I know your feelings about Christianity, but a God who would sacrifice what He did should say something to you about how much He cares.

Quote:Do you know what omnipresence is, as pertaining to God?

GC

Khemikal Wrote:Sure, a claimed attribute of a fictional entity.  One wonders whether you believe it anyway.  Is god omnipresent at the tip of the peen in every sexual assualt?  Riding in and out?  Victim screaming, perp grunting...god, silent?

Useless to me, obviously useless to the victim - handy for the perp.

I didn't think you knew what it meant, your dodging the question because you don't want to be wrong about this. Well you are and we know it don't we. Try again this time say something reasonable instead of the same ol' trash atheist throw around, it's unbecoming of the intelligent.

GC[/quote]
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 10:27 pm)Godscreated Wrote: There was no limit, God made the ultimate sacrifice because man has screwed everything up He went as far as was possible for us.   I know your feelings about Christianity, but a God who would sacrifice what He did should say something to you about how much He cares.
Well, if there was no limit (amusing. since two posts ago you told me that god couldn;t have done anything different..your beliefs are strangely movable) god could have achieved this some other way..some way other than the abject depravity of a blood sacrifice carried out upon another.  What is he supposed to have sacrificed,  A few nights of his eternal weekend?  Talk about finding a way to make a shitty thing even shittier by handling it in a trivial way.  

Stalkers "care" too, caring counts for shit when the subject is vicarious redemption.  Didn't care enough to do it some other, limitless way, huh?  So I guess that's another brick in the wall of bones.  Not only does "god" decide for no specific limitations to do the unthinkable, in a trivial way..because of it he damns any person who will not accept the fruit from the poisoned tree - any person who cannot in good conscience and will not accept the death of another for his own misdeeds. What a spectacular failure.

Or maybe all of this shit is made up.  Gee........lemme think.  

Quote:
Khemikal Wrote:Sure, a claimed attribute of a fictional entity.  One wonders whether you believe it anyway.  Is god omnipresent at the tip of the peen in every sexual assualt?  Riding in and out?  Victim screaming, perp grunting...god, silent?

Useless to me, obviously useless to the victim - handy for the perp.

I didn't think you knew what it meant, your dodging the question because you don't want to be wrong about this. Well you are and we know it don't we. Try again this time say something reasonable instead of the same ol' trash atheist throw around, it's unbecoming of the intelligent.

GC
So he's not there, on the tip of every assaulting peen..or?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 8:40 am)alpha male Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 11:32 am)vorlon13 Wrote: countered by all the ones where he does

No, you haven't supplied any in which he explicitly says that. You've inferred it indirectly. When we don't have a direct and explicit statement, then inference from the indirect is fine. But, in this case we do have the direct and explicit statement, so inference is not needed.

Quote:Can pointing out more bible contradictions really help your cause ?

You're not "pointing out" a contradiction, you're inventing one by making incorrect inferences.

You can interpret the damn thing any way you like, and that's the problem, you can't claim any fucking truth in it if you're just going to convince yourself it means what you want to mean when there's really no other way to go about it (the rational skeptic tends to look at it at face value since we understand there's no deeper wisdom behind any of it). That's not helpful to you or anyone. Also good luck finding a consensus even among BELIEVERS about what the fuck you're defending, because this alleged god is supposed not to be the author of confusion and, well, irony being what it is, ends up being the epitome of that. Further, why should I trust your interpretation? Why can't the god who dictated or inspired this tome speak for himself and defend himself or clarify himself? Seems an awfully lazy, careless or malignant character that would just let things sit as they are when they alone hold responsibility for whether this message reaches everyone and comes through with utter clarity and is beyond dispute factually.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

---

There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(June 29, 2017 at 12:45 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: There we go.  See, I hate that a god would make such an immoral thing the succes or failure condition for a soul.  He could have made it anything he wanted..being god, one presumes.  It could have even been doing good things..you know, being a good person.  But I'm digressing into insanity again, I suppose.

No, He couldn't have done anything different, if He could have don't you think He would have spared Jesus the horrors He had to endure, I know he would have. You seem to live on the edge of insanity. It's the way that the creator pays for and corrects what the created did. You yourself have said many times that God should fix this messed up world, He did and you have yet to realize it.

If God could not have done anything differently, then he is not omnipotent.
Reply
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
The theist Credo: making up  stupid things that make no sense then applying it to other people to equate them to you

If a good  god existed he would never have needed to fix the world. Because it would have never been broken in the first place . And creating loop holes is not fixing the problem anymore then placing buckets under a leaky roof patches it.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Evolution cannot account for morality chiknsld 341 33631 January 1, 2023 at 10:06 pm
Last Post: sdelsolray
  Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god? Vast Vision 116 33402 March 5, 2021 at 6:39 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Being cannot come from Non-being Otangelo 147 14307 January 7, 2020 at 7:08 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology? android17ak47 65 8619 July 27, 2019 at 9:03 pm
Last Post: Haipule
  God is not the answer Foxaèr 47 5250 October 31, 2018 at 1:25 pm
Last Post: Drich
  Why religious cannot agree. Mystic 46 8137 July 6, 2018 at 11:05 pm
Last Post: warmdecember
  When does biblical history begin ? possibletarian 59 22710 November 24, 2017 at 1:27 am
Last Post: possibletarian
  Why as an Atheist I Cannot Sin Rhondazvous 35 8087 September 17, 2017 at 7:42 am
Last Post: Brian37
  Our theists of all labels please answer.... Brian37 92 12406 April 25, 2017 at 11:33 am
Last Post: Brian37
  The Biblical Account of the Creation - A new look RonaldMcRaygun 10 2999 March 31, 2017 at 5:47 pm
Last Post: Brian37



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)