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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:12 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:06 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: Obviously not the case. Not everything that we create is a computer...agreed?
Agreed, but everything we created is created by us and is either a random mess or is complex and specific to varying degrees. Just think about the number of man-hours it takes to produce a single pencil from concept design to shipment. Then think of what a space station would take. The specified complexity of the space station comes no where near that of DNA in the cell and what is accomplished at a nano-scale. All glory to God.
Wonderful, so...it;s not by being created by us that something posseses intelligence. Some of the things we create do but its not for us having created them that they do so. Anyone or anything could have created them as they are and they would possess whatever they do. If we didnt create those things, they would still be what thy are.
Agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:14 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:12 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:06 am)CDF47 Wrote: Agreed, but everything we created is created by us and is either a random mess or is complex and specific to varying degrees. Just think about the number of man-hours it takes to produce a single pencil from concept design to shipment. Then think of what a space station would take. The specified complexity of the space station comes no where near that of DNA in the cell and what is accomplished at a nano-scale. All glory to God.
Wonderful, so...it;s not by being created by us that something posseses intelligence. Some of the things we create do but its not for us having created them that they do so. Anyone or anything could have created them as they are and they would possess whatever they do. If we didnt create those things, they would still be what thy are.
Agreed?
No, if we didn't create them they would be what they originally were. It's not that they contain intelligence but information.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:15 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 4:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Oh balls. There are different ways to conceive of information, primarily Shannon's or the Kolmogorov-Chaitin. CSI is just pseudoscientific bullshit.
CSI is an important aspect of science. ID is used in multiple fields like archeology, anthopology, forensics, SETI,...
You have been deceived. Nobody in science uses CSI. Never have. Never will. Not even design proponents like Dembski, the one who "invented" CSI, uses it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:17 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 4:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:12 am)Khemikal Wrote: Wonderful, so...it;s not by being created by us that something posseses intelligence. Some of the things we create do but its not for us having created them that they do so. Anyone or anything could have created them as they are and they would possess whatever they do. If we didnt create those things, they would still be what thy are.
Agreed?
No, if we didn't create them they would be what they originally were. It's not that they contain intelligence but information.
Thats silly. If some alien species designed computers as they are, they would still do exactly what they do.....would they not?
Are you telling me, now, that you were mistaken before....that computers do not possess intelligence?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:20 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 4:15 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: CSI is an important aspect of science. ID is used in multiple fields like archeology, anthopology, forensics, SETI,...
You have been deceived. Nobody in science uses CSI. Never have. Never will. Not even design proponents like Dembski, the one who "invented" CSI, uses it.
How do you know who does and doesn't use CSI?
(May 26, 2018 at 4:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, if we didn't create them they would be what they originally were. It's not that they contain intelligence but information.
Thats silly. If some alien species designed computers as they are, they would still do exactly what they do.....would they not?
Are you telling me, now, that you were mistaken before....that computers do not possess intelligence?
You are talking in circles. Please be clear and concise.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:21 am
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:23 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:20 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:15 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You have been deceived. Nobody in science uses CSI. Never have. Never will. Not even design proponents like Dembski, the one who "invented" CSI, uses it.
How do you know who does and doesn't use CSI?
Because CSI is an ill-defined bit of hocum which has no application. Show me one example of someone actually applying Dembski's framework of rejection regions, etc. to ANY scientific problem.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:28 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you want to participate, or not?
Only when you express legitimate questions.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:30 am
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:35 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you want to participate....or not?
Sure
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