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"who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
November 10, 2018 at 1:51 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You managed to show, only, that it was your reinterpretation.

That may be true, if I show verses forbidding slavery, will you change your mind?
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November 10, 2018 at 1:52 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 1:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
About what?  We both already agree that slavery sucks. I don't need magic book to tell me that. What's left?
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RE: "who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"
November 10, 2018 at 1:53 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Khemikal Wrote: About what?  We both already agree that slavery sucks.  What's left?

It would mean those verses are to remain consistent with Quran, should be interpreted as Muta.
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November 10, 2018 at 1:54 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 1:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You can interpret them however you like, for..what, the sixth or seventh time?

Again, good job, keep it up.
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November 10, 2018 at 2:26 pm
It's not about what I want, it's about if it's believed to be from God how should be viewed? And how should be viewed if Quran verses are suppose to interpret and shed light to one another?
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November 10, 2018 at 2:28 pm
No, lol, it's about what you want.
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November 10, 2018 at 2:34 pm
I suppose it's about how something should be viewed if they believe in the god that you do..sure?  Like, for example..regardless of what magic book says..you don't think that a god would be okay with slavery and sexing up slaves.  

I agree with you here already, wholeheartedly.  There's nothing to change my mind about, unless you want to convince me that a good god would be ok with slaves and sexing up slaves.
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November 10, 2018 at 2:59 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 2:59 pm by LadyForCamus.)
Even if your book didn’t need reinterpretation to say what you think it should say, so what? What if you are able to convince us that the Quran does not condone slavery and/or “sexing up” slaves? What then? What do you hope to achieve with us by demonstrating that your book does indeed say what you believe it to says? What’s written inside the book can’t speak to the validity of the book itself, as you’ve been told over, and over, and over....so, what’s the point of all of this?
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November 10, 2018 at 3:02 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 2:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Even if your book didn’t need reinterpretation to say what you think it should say, so what?  What if you are able to convince us that the Quran does not condone slavery and/or “sexing up” slaves?  What then?  What do you hope to achieve with us by demonstrating that your book does indeed say what you believe it to says? What’s written inside the book can’t speak to the validity of the book itself, as you’ve been told over, and over, and over....so, what’s the point of all of this?

Once all the problems people have with the bad interpretations of Muslims regarding the book go away - then perhaps they will reflect and see it for what it is.
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November 10, 2018 at 3:11 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 3:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 10, 2018 at 2:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Even if your book didn’t need reinterpretation to say what you think it should say, so what?  What if you are able to convince us that the Quran does not condone slavery and/or “sexing up” slaves?  What then?  What do you hope to achieve with us by demonstrating that your book does indeed say what you believe it to says? What’s written inside the book can’t speak to the validity of the book itself, as you’ve been told over, and over, and over....so, what’s the point of all of this?

Once all the problems people have with the bad interpretations of Muslims regarding the book go away - then perhaps they will reflect and see it for what it is.

It’s almost as if you don’t listen to people when they talk to you.
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