RE: Damned Muslims
October 20, 2010 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2010 at 3:29 am by Rayaan.)
(October 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm)padraic Wrote: Oh,so a wife is inferior to her husband,as a child needing to be taught proper behaviour,not an equal? That seems to contradict a basic premise of Islam; the equality of the sexes. There is a technical term here in Australia for men who beat their wives; 'criminals' as such behaviour is felony assault.We believe that men and women are equal indeed. Both sexes are equal and neither of them are considered to be inferior to each other in a human-wise sense. The only difference is that they have different religious rights over each other. So, there are certain rights which a husband has over his wife and vice versa. But in a human sense, they are both equal to each other according to Islam.
Also, women can have the same state rights as men as long as it doesn't contradict the religious rights of Islam.
(October 19, 2010 at 6:25 pm)padraic Wrote: Hitting any creature,animal or human,weaker than oneself is unmanly and cowardly.Yeah, it's not good to hit anyone if you can use other ways of communication without any violence. I don't think I would never hit my wife either (if I get married in the future). I also don't remember the last time that I hit my younger brother for any reason. A few times he has punched me in the arm and physically push me around but I never hit him back nor raise my voice at him. Having said that, I also want to say that there are certain times when hitting is permissible, though, according to the Quran. See the comments below.
(October 19, 2010 at 7:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yes it is. The opposite would be condemning it but the koran remains suspiciously silent.Actually there is a verse about this in the Quran, which says:
"As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great." (Surah 4:34)
This means that using physical force should be used as a last resort if nothing else works (because it is the last mode of action written in that verse out of the three). And this only applies in serious situations, in which you could do this to save yourself from calling the police or getting a divorce if your wife has done something really bad (as a way of punishing her for the sake of justice). And if you love someone, then you have the right to discipline them either verbally or physically, for a good reason, and without going to extreme measures as set by the religion.
(October 19, 2010 at 8:13 pm)Chuck Wrote: In the following way:Saying that something is permissible does not mean that it is advisable to do such a thing.
(October 19, 2010 at 5:57 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Well, making the beating of wives permissible in Islam ........ Only a wicked person hits his wife."
For example, there are certain places in some hotels in which you are allowed to smoke, but this doesn't mean that it is advisable for you to smoke, because smoking is simply bad for your health and it can possibly reduce your lifespan significantly. The same thing with the court ruling. What the judge said is that beating your wife is permissible in the sense that you will not punished by the state for doing so. However, it does not equal to saying that beating your wife is "okay" as if it's not a bad thing at all.