(July 24, 2015 at 11:52 am)robvalue Wrote: Hum... We have to all agree to assume we are real. That's all we can do. There's no point questioning that assumption with regard to every argument, since it undermines everyone at once, not just me. Shall we agree to assume we are real, or not?
If someone says human life is not valuable then yes, we agree to disagree. What else can we do? As a society, they disagree with us, so we have to protect society from them by locking them up if they start killing people. We can try and reason with them of course. That is the constructive action. But some people just don't care. Shouting "you're wrong" at them isn't going to make any difference.
What alternative is there? If "God" wanted us to all have the same morality, then he could have made us that way. Clearly he didn't, nor does he come down to settle disputes. We are on our own.
I am certain that we are all real. If your foundation is falulty don't just gloss over it you should seriously consider what is wrong. It is what you base your entire life on. What is real is very important and if you can't determine that then how can you even discuss anything?
You have to borrow from my world view in order to continue this conversation because I can account for reality. The idea to agreeing to disagree, about what human worth, will not work because there is a determined right and wrong and murder is wrong.
In this society of yours how do you determine who are human?
We all have morality because we all know that there is a way we ought to behave. Everyone being honest with themselves knows that they are not perfect because by instinct we know that we were meant to be something more. The falure is not in God but in us because we supress the knowledge of God and continue to by our wrong actions. When a person repents they recieve clarity about reality.
