Hostage to fear

[Randy Carson]

It's fine to side with whomever you like - as long as there is a valid reason for doing so.

If you can, please provide some evidence or some argumentation demonstrating why SEVERAL THOUSAND professional New Testament scholars (atheists and theists alike) teaching at accredited western universities are wrong concerning the five minimal facts I have posted here.

Everyone would love to see if you have anything besides your own opinion or the thoroughly discredited views of your mentor, Richard Carrier.

As a professional courtesy, it would also be nice if you could document your own academic credentials (schools attended, degrees obtained, peer-reviewed papers published, books authored, etc.) and provide a run-down of the ancient languages that you speak.

Thanks!

Those 5 facts are not facts, and even if they were, they would prove nothing, Randy. We have been over this.

I have provided quotes from or referenced:

Josephus
Eusebius
Hegesippus
Papias
Tacitus
Lucian
Mara Bar-Serapion
the Talmud
Paul
Oral Christian Tradition
Written Christian Tradition including
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Clement of Rome
Polycarp
Clement of Alexandria
Ignatius of Antioch
Dionysius of Corinth
Tertullian
Origen
Justin Martyr

Additionally, I have provided logical explanations for each of the five points, and I have (or could have) cited numerous scholars (theists and atheists) including:

Craig Blomberg, PhD
Gregory Boyd, PhD
Walter Bradley, PhD
Michael Brown, PhD
Donald Carson, PhD
Gary Collins, PhD
Paul Copan, PhD
William Lane Craig, PhD, DTh
Bart Ehrman, PhD
Craig Evans, PhD
Norman Geisler, PhD
Gary Habermas, PhD, DD
Peter Kreeft, PhD
Louis Lapides, MDiv, ThM
Michael Licona, PhD
John McRay, PhD
Alexander Metherell, MD, PhD
Bruce Metzger, PhD
JP Moreland, PhD
Tim O'Neill
Daniel Wallace, PhD
Ben Witherington, PhD
John Woodbridge, PhD
Edwin Yamauchi, PhD
Ravi Zacharias, DD, LLD

Additionally, if you were to read the works of these respected authors, you would see that each of them, in turn, cites other world-renowned scholars as well as the Early Church Fathers. So, there are thousands of scholars and millions of man-hours invested in studying the materials that have been boiled down into the five minimal facts that I, following Habermas and Licona, presented - facts which you have not even attempted to counter with hard evidence from any historical sources.

On your side:

Richard Carrier, PhD (the only Myther with a legitimate doctorate recognized by Ehrman - and Ehrman still takes him down hard)
David Fitzgerald (?)

You failed to prove otherwise in that thread, so you won't have any better luck by hijacking this one.

The point is that even if (hypothetically) your fictional character was based on a human instead of another fictional character, HE'S STILL A FICTIONAL CHARACTER, dipshit! You have no proof to the contrary. Pull your head out of your ass.[/color]

Yeah...I'll be starting a thread to deal with this craziness soon enough...