(July 31, 2015 at 7:05 pm)Cato Wrote:That doesn't address the question. The question addresses the fact that the creator of the universe would necessarily transcend the universe. In other words the creator of the universe transcends time, space, and matter. What deities make this claim?(July 31, 2015 at 3:17 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Does the deity posses the characteristics necessary to be the creator?
It's inconceivable that a being with the power and knowledge to create a universe could possibly be held accountable for the bullshit in The Bible. Genesis doesn't even accurately describe the sequence of events and it's all downhill from there. I never understand why Christians are so hell bent on proving a creator deity. Even if I grant this type of being, which I don't, there is no way in hell you can get from there to the split personality character in your special book.
It's much more honest to say you believe it because you want to instead of going through the machinations required to attempt to make any sense of any of it. It simply can't be done.
(July 31, 2015 at 7:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:Given that the OP wrote:
Or they could all be false.
Interesting that you did not include that choice in your dichotomy.
Quote:if I accept your notion that the universe must have had a creator, why couldn't it have been...we are arguing form the premise that the universe has a creator. The OP then asks why the Christian God rather than any of the others. The framing of the question doesn't allow for "none of them" as an option.
But for the sake of argument let's say the OP reworded the question to allow for your option. To include "all are false" in my dichotomy would be illogical. To claim that all could be false would be to claim that none of the known deities are the creator. That necessitates an unknown deity being the creator. Therefore you're asking me to make an argument not from a position of knowledge, but rather from a position of no knowledge. Claiming to have knowledge from no knowledge is illogical.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?