RE: Why Christianity?
August 1, 2015 at 6:26 pm
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2015 at 6:28 pm by Lucanus.)
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Here is what I find makes Islam the true religion:
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1) If God would reveal a book, we would expect the literature level to be at the very least the best in it's language, and no other work to be known to be near it's level, we find this the case with Quran, where it it's literature eloquence is a highest peak, something I have not found emphasized to be true in other religions let alone manifest and agreed upon by it's people it has been revealed to in general.
The argument is as follows:
If God would reveal a book, it being higher in eloquence and top literature quality is to be expected to be emphasized by that people to that the extent it is used to show it's from God as it is would believed to be way better then human capability.
This is true only of Islam.
If God exists, he would reveal a book. (I've argued why I believe this to be the case in other threads).
God exists. (Not arguing this here, but I've argued why before I believe this)
Therefore Islam is true.
Nonsense. The Divine Comedy by Dante is without a doubt the finest example of Italian literature and it's (supposedly) divinely inspired. In fact, Dante originally just called it "Comedy"; the " Divine" adjective was given by later poets who were astonished by Dante's work. Therefore, 14th century Christianity is true.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 2) God's Name manifests and reminds of a praise of special love and relationship with his exalted chosen friends. The only religions I find manifests this wisdom of his chosen friends is Islam or offshoot religions of Islam (like Bahais). However, I believe all offshoots of Islam have been proven through their own literature to be false. I would expect God to emphasize on this wisdom of how he would use his friends and honor them, and make them the means towards him, to be something emphasized in the true religion with regards to God. I would expect emphasis to be on them to be pure, exalted, and way higher above and chosen above the rest of creation. If we logically deduce God would create infinite creation, and test them out of his wisdom before physically creating them, with regards to their love and sincerity towards him, he would then have exalted friends to chose from.
Doesn't seem to be proving much, other than god's supposed "friends" call their imaginary friend with a name that "reminds of a praise of special love and relationship". Humans can invent gods and they have in fact been doing so for a very long time. The fact they call these gods with such peculiar names proves nothing.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 3) Ultimate leader would be one who leads you to God and guides you to him in all stages, while Prophets are all leaders that guide to God, the Quran unique emphasizes on a leadership that is aside from leading simply by reminders in the physical world. It emphasizes that after being found to be patient and reaching stage of certain in God's signs and guidance, their was those servants who never having been unjust are worthy of such leadership and guiding companionship to humanity. The emphasis there is such a guide in each era is uniquely found in Islam. The power of these exalted humans, which is God's Command over creation vested in them, is emphasized uniquely in this religion. The mystical science of the return and guidance by the hand of connectors from the chain hearts to the absolute eternal, is of now of the known wisdom and knowledge of this era. The religion that uniquely emphasized on this role thus be the true religion.
Look mate, I know that English is not the easiest of languages, but if you're going to post on a discussion forum that requires your English to be clear, you might as well try to write properly.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 4) I find the emphasis on God's Name and face in creation to be something once understood, a treasured knowledge, that opens up many doors of knowledge. The emphasis on such station with God and his creation, and the connection, is something I would expect God to do. I find this emphasis unique in my religion, and hence, due to believing God is true, have reason to believe this religion is from him.
Again, this works both ways: people invent gods all the time, the fact that someone's imagery strikes you more than someone else's isn't proof of anything except for your taste.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 5) I find the emphasis on ascending with regards to Salah (the connection/five daily prayers) to be something of a wisdom that once experienced you come to know this spiritual routine and exercise would be something worthy of the God and beloved of the hearts to do, him being the ultimate treasure and favor on humanity, we would expect him to advise and emphasize on such ascension and daily exercise. The wisdom of ruku (bowing) before Sujood (prostration), the wisdom and experience of each, the philosophy of wuthoo (ritual purification), is something once understood, you would expect from the Creator.
What do you mean by "wisdom" exactly?
I feel like rituals make any belief stronger regardless of its validity, as a repetition of what you're used to say becomes something you are used to think, and that something is awfully difficult to shake off. Heck, daily prayers and going to mass every Sunday managed to keep ME Catholic for 16 years.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 6) The way God has put the family of Mohammad in Quran, yet there is high opposition to them, I feel is only really explained if some forces on humanity don't want people to follow the Quran, and hypocrisy (believing but then acting against his revelation) is something only dark forces want, and dark forces would only put this effort if the family of Mohammad were meant to be followed. The fact there is these veils and locks on the hearts when it comes to reciting the clearer of the recitations that are proven by reason and other parts of Quran as well, makes you realize there is this dark force. These locks are not normal things that happen to other books, nor is it simply explained by bias. I found these locks to be on my heart without this bias, and I realize this is due to a hidden enemy and it was only through sincere striven reflection I was able to overcome these locks but these reflection were like almost like inspired when in certain states, and I find therefore it is of unseen help from God and his forces.
Again, things that are easy to explain with delusional states and/or autosuggestion. Occam's razor man, it was invented to take out "useless entities" such as angelic intelligences that were bloating Christian theology. I guess you could shave off them dark forces.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 7) The emphasis on the true theology proven by reason as well as the name al-hayu (The living) is something I would expect of God. I find this emphasis again only in my religion.
Pretty sure that I've heard "the living God" when I went to mass as a Catholic. Also, "theology proven by reason" doesn't exist. I'll quote Han Solo and say that it's just "some magic words and nonsense". But even then, Christian theology is not worse than yours. In fact, I'd say they're pretty much on the same level of bullshit.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 8) The emphasis to reflect, and bring proof if we are truthful, and to not follow what we have no knowledge of, and not to follow our fathers blindly, I find emphasized in the religion I follow uniquely. This again something I would expect of God.
That is something I would expect of any man with a decent level of intelligence and critical thinking. Science is based on those principles, and it doesn't need to be inspired by a divine being to be correct. Therefore, it is something we can easily expect from Man.
(July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In all these arguments, I believe God and his praiseworthy nature to a degree is known in humanity.
And those arguments are flawed.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."