(August 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, you are the one who has missed the whole point, Pharaoh had a second chance before his heart was hardened permanently, Pharaoh was warned and he said he now knew the God of Israel. Yet he refused to let the Israelites go, Pharaoh could have stopped all his peoples suffering by releasing the Israelites.
You blame God because you do not want to believe in Him, I blame Pharaoh because he saw the power of God and disobeyed after saying he knew Israels God.
GC
SBC Wrote:Yeah, we don't see eye to eye on that. I can see where you're going with that, but having given you my opinion on a god hardening someone's heart, is just absolutely preposterous to begin with, so it's hard for me to take that story seriously. It's also hard for me to believe that god orchestrated a world-wide flood, which there is no evidence for, and having wreaked havoc with his plagues. They sound like tales of primitive men.
Well then you are not taking the Bible for what it explicitly says, that's deceiving yourself, you know. It does matter what you don't believe it changes nothing with God. You call these people primitive yet they built structures we can't to day, I think it's in Jordan or Syria where a foundation stone for a building weighs so much that no modern machinery can come close to lifting it, none. No one has any idea how they moved the stone. Seems to me these people are not so primitive as you would have them to be.
SBC Wrote:You keep accusing me of having never read the bible or not wanting to believe in your god. Which is not true. Although, you'd probably think the same of me, accusing you of not being skeptical enough about this voice you hear in your head. The thing is, is that you claim facts, with nothing to back it up. I'm actually perfectly open to a god being out there, but there is nothing sufficient for me to go on there. In fact, the evidence of your god is so non-existent, that you could practically say that he isn't there with at least 99% certainty, but of course, I can't be sure. The evidence of jesus is the exact same as other miracle men, written throughout history; there were stories written about this character on paper/papyrus, that is it. Again, I don't want to not believe in a god, but I surely don't want to worship your version of a god for reasons, that should be completely discernible.
I do not hear voices in my head, I've never said I have, so where you got that I do not know unless you're parroting others that look only to accuse Christians of thing untrue. I've seen no real evidence that you either sought God or have read the Bible, those who read the Bible search the Bible not go to atheist sites to parrot someone else , that's done all the work, work that is biased at best and mostly lies. Those who do that do not even give credit to the ones who have done the work. They would have used a computer if they had one, so they used the best things they had to record with. I'd like to see a bunch of people thrown back to that time and see how well they would do, just a thought no speculation, just a thought. I'm 100% positive the God of the Bible exists, no doubts.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
