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If God changed his mind
RE: If God changed his mind
(August 9, 2015 at 7:06 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol, I never claimed my initial post to Esq said anything about me. That's why I said "I was trying to understand where he was coming from, and offering my perspective to others who seemed to be trying to understand where he was coming from too."

If you want to call that "justification", and think badly of me because of it, go ahead I guess. I disagree.

Since you keep claiming that you were trying to see Drippy's point of view,  I'm going to quote your post again:
(August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: With that being said, if you are truly trying to understand where Drich is coming from, you have to look at it through his lenses. What's worse... battling cancer for a limited amount of time, or eternity in torment? He believes that people who do not believe in God go to Hell (a sentiment I also don't share, mind you).  

Drich also said it took him getting cancer to find God.

So, since he believes the worst possible thing that can happen to someone is to be in eternal torment, and since he believes that not believing in God will get you there, and since he personally didn't find God until he got cancer, can you at least understand where he is coming from when he says that he would rather someone go through absolutely anything, regardless of how bad it is, if it would mean avoiding the [i]worst thing of all?[/i]
(emphasis is mine)

Now can you see why it looks like you are justifying his position? You were not claiming to be trying to see Drippy's point of view, but trying to explain it to Esq (and by extension, the rest of us) and point out how it isn't as bad as he thought. You want to spin it as something else, go ahead.

You edited out an important part of the post, so here it is in its entirety:


(August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Can I make a suggestion?

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

Now I'm going to repeat those lines because I'm sure someone will accuse me of it anyway:

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

With that being said, if you are truly trying to understand where Drich is coming from, you have to look at it through his lenses. What's worse... battling cancer for a limited amount of time, or eternity in torment? He believes that people who do not believe in God go to Hell (a sentiment I also don't share, mind you).  

Drich also said it took him getting cancer to find God.

So, since he believes the worst possible thing that can happen to someone is to be in eternal torment, and since he believes that not believing in God will get you there, and since he personally didn't find God until he got cancer, can you at least understand where he is coming from when he says that he would rather someone go through absolutely anything, regardless of how bad it is, if it would mean avoiding the worst thing of all?

... I stand by everything I say here. If you want to call it justification for an action that I already said I don't agree with, fine, go ahead.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 17, 2015 at 10:42 am
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