(October 20, 2010 at 10:03 pm)Skipper Wrote: I wont claim to be a expert on Islam scripture, but there are certainly violent and sickening passages that I have read. But so many of you claim it's peaceful and not a violent religion, yet these passages exist and so many people, countries and communities (more than any other religion in recent history) have used Islam and by proxy Sharia to do evil and inhumane things in both the Islamic world and the Western world and despite what some moderates (not enough if you ask me) may say to justify and defend the quaran, there has to be a point where Islam has to be told it can play no part in the developing world and it either has to change it's ways MASSIVELY or fuck right off.
I have read the Quran but I didn't find any such violent things in it which you are talking about.
I'm not too knowledgeable about the religious scriptures either, but I have read commentaries from scholars who studied the Quran in its original language (Arabic). After hearing their views, I didn't find any of them support the idea that the Quran allows evil things such as killing a group of people just because of their beliefs (in any part of the world). You'll find a better explanation of the actual meanings at this link. And those are the soundest interpretations according to the scholars of Islam. I have not seen anyone be able to prove that those interpretations are not correct.
There are also people who distort their own religion, intentionally, to make it fit with their own personal desires or to justify their actions, and those are the ones who are very likely to be disbelievers. They only act as if they believe but actually they are not believers. For example, I doubt if the man who killed his two daughters because of honor killing was a believer. If he was a true believer, then I don't think he would've done such a thing. There is simply nothing in Islam that gives us a permission to take the lives of our own children.
(October 20, 2010 at 10:03 pm)Skipper Wrote: At it's core, like all religion, it is evil, false and controlling but more so it is incompatible with what free countries promote...equality, tolerance, secular governments, free thinking, free choice, progressive education and peace. Honestly, if this comes across as a hate for Islam, thats for a reason, I do hate that religion more so than others, simply because it conflicts more so with the world I wish to live in than the other religions do. The world would be a better place without any religion, Islam would be the best starting point for that.
To you it is evil but not to me.
Yes, religions hinders free thinking and free choice. And it doesn't play any role in the developing world. But, that is not the purpose of religion, because it is not concerned about worldy things such as improving the standards of living or helping to solve the economic problems of the world. The purpose of religion is to prepare our souls for the afterlife, not this life which we are living right now. And it limits our freedom at the expense of giving us greater freedom in the afterlife. That's why, allowing free choice in this life is not an important thing when it comes to religion.