(August 11, 2015 at 6:43 am)alpha male Wrote:(August 8, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Shuffle Wrote: 1. No.
2. Wow. That was one of the most selfish things I have ever heard. Me me me me. He gave me this. He promised me that. He did this for me. He saved me. Don't you think that your answer should take into account anything he did for anyone else?
3. Leave it to the christians to not know where their beliefs are coming from.
4. Are you implying that, because he created us, he can destroy us? That is a great argument if you create an inanimate object and then decided to destroy it, however, when it comes to killing innocent human beings or animals, it is despicable.
Why would I want to do that? You completely dodge my sincere questions, and completely pretended like I never said, "...I love that you take offense with abortions when there are several times in the Bible where God orders all infants and unborn children to be destroyed. How hypocritical is that?"
I refuse to answer your points before answering mine. Also, I did answer the counter points you brought up. I think we are confusing eachothers points. I am trying to say that the god that is written about in the Old Testament is the same that is written about in the New Testament. If this is true (which I don't know whether or not you agree with that) then the same god that enforced Old Testament laws and killed millions of people is the father of Jesus. I need you to answer my question to advance the conversation.
(August 10, 2015 at 3:46 pm)Shuffle Wrote: Yes, I called the infants innocent. Sue me.
The innocent above references human beings in general. If you just meant infants, then as I said - they go to heaven.
The Bible seems to indicate otherwise:
(March 26, 2015 at 6:11 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: I think the most Biblical response to the question is to say that infants go to hell, not heaven. Just look at the requirements that the Bible says are necessary to get into heaven, and one can easily see that infants do not satisfy those requirements. None of them believe in Jesus at all, as they are too young to have any understanding about such things.
For example, consider John 3:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Infants do not believe, therefore they go to hell. That is what the Bible says. Sissy Christians don't like it, so they pull ideas out of their asses and pretend they are following the Bible.
So, that is why a good Christian should not kill his or her children as infants, because it would condemn them to eternity in hellfire.
And there are Christians who take such a view:
http://nycpastor.com/2015/01/04/where-do...babies-go/
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
