Theists, what does faith mean to you?

[Tartarus Sauce]

It's not about whether you personally can replicate it, you stated it was beyond the capacity of all mortals.

I don't see why it would not be possible to know it's beyond the capacity of all mortals if we can appreciate it's greatness, just like I can know a certain writing is beyond my capability.

Your argument it's because we can appreciate, it's within our capability. But with that our argument, I should be capable of replicating any writing that I can appreciate it's greatness.

No that was very much not my argument. I only brought in appreciation so I could mention the Voynich Manuscript as an example of just how broad the scope of human imagination is.

My argument was that since the Quran is understandable, interpretable, and translatable by humans, it is evident that the ideas contained within its pages are at least capable of having been generated within a human mind. This is to counter your claim that you find it impossible for its authorship to have originated from a mortal source.

In order for us to understand a message we must understand the underlying base concepts that the message or idea is composed of. This applies to even paradoxical concepts. For example, we cannot conceive of what a square-circle could look like since there would be no way for us to envision a shape independent from either a square or a circle by itself that manages to equally retain the properties of both simultaneously that makes any logical sense to us. But we understand the underlying concepts that compose this idea of a square-circle, and since we understand these underlying components, we therefore recognize it's an irrational idea.

Yet it's still an idea that we can communicate, and we can understand the idea of a square-circle even though we can't imagine it's design or mathematically describe its properties, but we can still have thoughts about it and communicate about it. It has only transcended our capacity to envision it, not our ability to conceive of it in the abstract or communicate about it.

If an idea is capable of being communicated and understood by others, it is capable of being thought about, which means it's possible for the idea to be generated from a human mind. In order for something to be literally beyond the scope of creation from any human mind, it must transcend the capacity for a human mind to think about it, and anything that can still be comprehensibly communicated to or understood by at least one human mind has not transcended our limit of thought. That is the crux of my argument.

I'm not saying for the sake of this argument that this is definitive proof that the Quran was authored solely by thoughts generated from a human mind, I very much do believe that was the case, but that is not the purpose of my counter argument. What I'm asserting is that since all the ideas within the Quran are communicated through a common medium and understandable to humans, it has not transcended our capacity of thought and therefore, in principle, could have been conceived from a human mind.