(August 17, 2015 at 9:17 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Ok. Two things. While I expect we all know more or less what you'd say, I have yet to see you adequately defend the assertion that we all benefit from modern slavery, or how that would be in any way acceptable even if it is demonstrably true (which it may or may not be, honestly). Second, this right here:Food, do you eat it? Do you eat anything besides processed food? Do you eat fruits or vegtables? Do you only eat what you grow? If you eat fruits or vegtables know they are hand picked. why? Because they are not robust enough to be machine picked. If you did not pay 10 to 20 dollars for a head of lettuce or 9 dollars for an apple then you are benfiting from people being paid sometimes 1/2 if not less of the federal minimum wage. The child labor laws are also loosened for your produce. If you are eating out of season fruit or vegtables that means it came from south/central America where everything including chattle slavery is practiced. We are all guilty of this. Why? because we eat, and we demand that our food be affordable. Even if you are a grow your own food douche, know the society you live in can not survive without cheap produce. take that away, and you will be living in a Mad Max type of world.
Quote:is your argument from consequence fallacy. Your assertion is that if we admit slavery is immoral, the consequences are that we will be hypocrites (which is how you spell that, by the way), therefore we should not admit slavery is wrong. Your reasoning is fallacious, the reasons behind your reasoning are fallacious, and the tie you wore to church yesterday is fallacious.If slavery goes away, all of it. People by the millions if not billions will starve and die. Slaves currently work for their keep. If everyone gets a 'fair share' then the money will be seriously devalued and will become meaningless which means their product prices will go up, which will inturn drive out prices up ultimately meaning those in our lower to middle classes will not be able to afford their products which means a cut in demand leading to a cut in production.
Regardless of how much modern society (myself included) may or may not rely on modern forms of slavery, humans should still be working to eradicate all forms of slavery from the globe because slavery is wrong. The fact that a bunch of people are still doing it doesn't make it ok.
We all may be equal on one level or another, but that does not entitle anyone to an equal share. we are all made or broken by the opportunities life affords us. it's great to want to provide everyone with the same opportunities, but in the end if everyone had the same skills and opportunities then it would be no different in this part of the world as in that (they would drag us down/we would not pull them up)
The only way society will not need slavery is more advanced robotics on a mass scale, or a mass plague. and even then if we are still living in a structured society someone will have to grow our food, for very little to no money if the rest of us are expected to buy it.
Again, from the beginning of society to now, we have yet to come up with a system that supports city life that does not include slavery on one level or another, until the last few generations.. and even then all you d-bags have done is rename or narrow down the definition of the word slave to only mean the type of slavery we as a race of people don't really need.
If you all would simply accept slavery and your part in it you could the unfair aspects of it. It s not all unfair.
