(August 19, 2015 at 10:56 am)Randy Carson Wrote: and many others. Are all of these men "car salesmen", also? Or is this a designation you reserve for me alone?
If the latter, then what is the difference? Because I'm pretty steeped in the Catholic Answers school, my arguments were learned primarily (though not exclusively) from them, and my methodologies are not really any different than those found in articles and books that are quite common.
We’ve just come back from the first of our Italian holidays this year and, last week, we were sitting outside a typical Roman bar, drinking coffee, watching the world go by. At an adjacent table a group were talking about their visit to the Vatican and its museums and one woman was talking about the emotional effect it had on her, as a lapsed Catholic. The others hadn’t had that kind of experience but she was very clear, when she got back home, she was off to church. All rather touching really, her crossing of the Tevere (Tiber to you) had been personally shattering. Rather tangentially, that example of the Christian argument that conversion is a product of God’s drawing of the individual to him, made me wonder about my experience of religious people online over the years.
As an outside observer, I think something has happened to some Catholic online apologists as the Internet years have gone by, a product of interaction with Protestant Fundamentalism - battling away with acres of proof texts and supposed ‘evidence’- and, quite possibly, the conversion of some of its adherents. The Church may not have changed but, cutting a long story short, Josh McDowell is a long, long way from ‘Evangelii Gaudium’ and since when has Liberty University been seen as a key centre of Catholic faith development?
Randy, all this charging around waving Protestant sales materials about doesn’t speak of any kind of intellectual or spiritual discipline, neither does the ready copy and pasting of yet another ‘here’s one I baked earlier’ answer speak of engaging with the person you’re failing to talk to.
So, the only car salesman? Perhaps not but probably the most deaf one.
The gods did not reveal, from the beginning,
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
Xenophanes
All things to us, but in the course of time
Through seeking we may learn and know things better.
These things are, we conjecture, like the truth.
But as for certain truth, no man has known it,
Nor shall he know it, neither of the gods
Nor yet of all the things of which I speak.
And even if by chance he were to utter
The final truth, he would himself not know it:
For all is but a woven web of guesses.
Xenophanes