RE: Why Christianity?
August 22, 2015 at 9:23 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2015 at 9:39 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(August 22, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Pizza Wrote:Quote:"Jesus referred to himself as "son of man", are you telling me that you, being Jewish, don't realize that "son of man" is another term for prophet?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_man_(Judaism)
"The Hebrew expression "son of man" (בן–אדם i.e. ben-'adam) appears one hundred and seven times in the Hebrew Bible.[1] This is the most common Hebrew construction for the singular, appearing 93 times in the Book of Ezekiel alone and 14 times elsewhere. In thirty two cases, the phrase appears in intermediate plural form "sons of men".[1] As generally interpreted by Jews, "son of man" denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty[2]"
I'm not seeing anything about prophets here.
Because Wikipedia is the final authority? search through the bible and see who the term "son of man" is referring to.
(August 22, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Pizza Wrote: You do realize Jews don't believe Jesus is a prophet, right? Quote mining the Christian version-OT for vague verses and saying "that's predicting Jesus" isn't going to cut the mustard. If you're trying to convert a Jew to Christianity you're doing a poor job. Jewish theology isn't the same as Christian theology. Jews don't believe Jesus is the messiah. The Jews don't even think the messiah is god in human form. Kaninchen will hopefully correct me on this if I'm wrong.
Of course I realize that the Jews don't believe in God, that was the whole point... the Jews had to reject Jesus and break the covenant that God had made with the Jews in order to make a new covenant with the gentiles.
Quote:Matthew 22
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests
If you're familiar with the story of Joseph and his brothers in Genesis, you should realize that story is a foreshadowing of Jesus and the Jews in the New Testament.
I will do my best to paraphrase the story because it is rather long.
Joseph(representing Jesus) had twelve brothers (representing the 12 tribes of Israel) and to make a long story short, Joseph had a coat of many colors (which we know the rainbow represents a promise) symbolizing Joseph as the promised son (the messiah). Josephs brothers were jealous of him and sold him into slavery for 20 pieces of silver, then reported to their father that Joseph had been killed (he later finds out he is alive representing the death and resurrection of Jesus).
Eventually Joseph ends up in a dungeon were he meets the butler and baker (Jesus and the two thieves) he tells the butler he will be restored back to his position (Jesus tells one of the thieves that he will be in paradise) and the other will be executed (obviously the other thief did not go to paradise).
Soon Joseph is placed in charge of Egypt and marries an Egyptian a gentile...(Jesus ascends to the right hand of God and being rejected of the Jews goes to the gentiles).
Eventually there is a famine and Joseph's (representing Jesus) brothers (representing the Jews) come to Egypt buy food, but when they stand before Joseph they don't recognize their own brother (the same way the Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah). Eventually he reveals who he really is to his brothers (after Jesus is done with the gentiles he then returns to the Jews and reveals himself to be the messiah, and this is also when the prophecies concerning the messiah are fulfilled).
Quote:Genesis 45
1 Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried , Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren. 2 And he wept aloud : and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard . 3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.
The Prophecy of Jesus revealing himself to the Jews after the battle of Armageddon (from the old testament btw).
Quote:Zechariah 12
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced , and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
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And since you seem to believe I'm "quote mining" a christian version of the old testament, I'll post a link to the Hebrew version and you can read it for yourself.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2312.htm
Quote:Zechariah 12
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.
Now whats your excuse?