(August 24, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(August 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: That would be me, now instead of saying you are startled prove me wrong.
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What is it about that passage that says Jesus to you? Because he sure isn't mentioned. Or is it because the being he wrestles with says he has striven with god and men? He doesn't say he is both god and a man. And even if he were a manlike manifestation of god that wouldn't make him Jesus. God also appears a a burning bush, does that mean we have a quatrinty rather than a trinity: god, the spirit, the burning bush, and Jesus? Christians try to shoe horn the eternally existing Jesus into the OT, but he isn't there, just different manifestations of god, or in some cases multiple gods.
I'm not sure how your post disproves that Jacob wrestled with Jesus? Even the Jewish people saw Christ in the OT, so why can't you? I'm sure you weren't taught your opinion when you were in church. Christ is the only part of the Trinity that appears as a man.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
