(August 24, 2015 at 11:08 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(August 24, 2015 at 9:16 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Since you didn't state a person are you saying that you use your own reasoning as your authority? Or is it Chris who upkeeps the evil bible web-page?
Some of your argument were addressed by me in earlier post. You either didn't read them or out right rejected them because you deemed my were full of Christian propaganda.
Science is nice and very helpful but God is beyond nature and can alter his creation in mundane and miraculous ways. You have closed your mind to anything that isn't scientifically explained. So you make many errors when it comes to what is reality.
I know you will correct me if I am wrong but you believe that we are just the happenstance of the universe. We have just evolved by chance to be humans. Then you make a statement about how evil God is. Be honest in your world view there is not evil. There is just atoms bumping into atoms. You have no worth and I have no worth. If you give yourself worth it is just arbitrary. In my world view I can say what is evil and what isn't because people have intrinsic value given to me by God our creator. He has spoken and is still speaking and has the ability to alter His creation. He is calling people to Himself because he loves them. He seek to make people whole and heal them and He is not the evil one.
Let's be clear, here. The "authority" I'm referencing is material reality as we (humans) know it. The "authority" you're referencing is not a person or a deity, but a piece of contrived Bronze/Iron Age mythology that you've been indoctrinated into believing is the truth. My authority is the concentrated human knowledge of the modern age, whereas yours is an outdated fiction produced by humans of a primitive, scientifically ignorant age.
Miraculous powers is not the reason Gaud breaks science in the Wholly Babble. The reason Gaud breaks science in the Babble is that he obviously doesn't know it, hence whoever wrote it was not omniscient, hence the source was probably human and not an omniscient being. It's not just the magical stuff he does; the actual model for the Universe and the Solar System are nothing like what's described in the Bible, and that's just the beginning.
Now, strictly speaking, I'm not saying Gaud is evil. Gaud does not exist. What I'm saying is that if the narrative in the Babble were actually true (which it is NOT; this is hypothetical), then the Gaud it depicts would be completely evil with cruel, arbitrary morality that ignores its own standards and debases life in the most fundamental and atrocious of ways. In other words, your imaginary friend is a sick fuck.
Honestly, the happenstance of our existence is exactly what makes it worth so much. You realize you could have been any other being, right? The odds against your existence and my existence, are astronomical. When you consider the sheer number of potential gametes that could have united, the sheer number of parents we could have been born to, the sheer number of everything else involved in the series of causes and effects that brought us into being, out of all of those odds...we emerged. We are alive. We have the capacity to experience the world around us for a time, and we were born in an age where knowledge and comfort are much easier to come by than in years past. The world might not be a paradise, but when you consider the monumentally astronomical odds under which we came to live and survive in the world we live in right now, it's honestly kind of awe-inspiring. This one existence we have is a precious gift, given to us by no one, that no one but us can decide how to use. The fact that our time is limited and the only time we have makes it worth more, not less, because it means we should be striving to make the most out of THIS existence instead of striving for some perfect afterlife. My life and the lives of other humans are worth far more to me than they are to your supposed Gaud, who kills man, beast, and plant on a whim and sends most of his creation to Hell in the end.
I apologize I was unclear I wanted to know what human authority you were basing your statements off of.
The Bible is not a science text book and when God was speaking to the Hebrews He was speaking to them in ways that they would understand. If God explained how he created the universe you wouldn't even understand it.
Still wither your comment is hypothetical or not you can't make this argument because your world view does not support it. Even if being alive is against the odds that is not a good enough reason. An oddity does not give a thing worth or else we would celebrate every thing that is highly unlikely to happen as a good thing. Whenever you claim anything is evil or good you are being inconsistent and borrowing from my world view. Why would a living thing have more worth than a non living thing? It all started the same and it is still made up of atoms. There is nothing in your world view that can unequivocally give a person, an animal or our planet any worth. It is all just atoms banging against each other. Yes the odds are amazing way too amazing to not think that someone isn't tinkering with things. If I am playing poker with you and every hand I get is full of aces you would think I had rigged the game. Yet when it comes to the universe you leave it up to happenstance. People have worth more than just the fact that we can experience life because you have the finger print of the God of creation on you. You bear the image of the living God and that God deemed it worth while to set aside all of His right to make you right with Him by dieing on the cross for your sins. He could have destroyed everything and not allowed this very moment to happen but He didn't. He though that you are worth this moment. He will right every wrong one way or another but He enjoys giving mercy without sacrificing His justice. Life is even more rich in the presence of God. I don't need to strive for the after life either I can live not with God and the rest of eternity for God. If I live it is for the Glory of God and if I die I get to see even more fully the beauty and mystery of the God of glory. My life is good and my death is good because my death ushers me fully into the presences of God and all of those who love Him. It will be fantastic and something I am looking forward to but not trying to rush because I am willing to wait for God's timing.
