RE: Crazy shit from ezekiel.
August 25, 2015 at 11:20 am
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2015 at 1:11 pm by Jenny A.)
(August 25, 2015 at 10:10 am)Godschild Wrote:(August 25, 2015 at 12:10 am)Jenny A Wrote: You see that's where the problem lies. The OT doesn't include Jesus though it does include god appearing in a variety of ways and forms. The Hebrews who wrote it don't see the messiah showing up early. Why should you other than that you are projecting later Christian scripture on it? Absent a gloss of Christian theology there is no Jesus in those verses, just god appearing in human form.
You're right God in human form, God the Son, the Son has always shown himself in human form. The Hebrews will point to many scriptures that show Christ coming in the future. Where else would the obtain the information of the coming Messiah.
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They wouldn't obtain information about the coming of Jesus in the OT, because it isn't there. When Christians try to find it there, they ignore the original Jewish meanings.
Jacob wrestling the angel is an odd story, and the Jews have their own interpretation of it and one that given the context, makes as much sense as anything. Jacob is coming home to Esau and having stolen Esau's birthright just before he left, has some reason to doubt his welcome especially when he hears Esau is coming in force. He sends several servants ahead separately with a gifts of goats for Esau. Then he separates his family and belongings from Esau by placing them on the far side of the river. He waits alone for Esau.
But instead of meeting Esau, he meets the angel/man. Many Jews interpret this to mean he met and wrestled with the guardian angel of Esau, which makes considerably more sense then Jesus given that the story is contained in an extended narrative about Jacob's reconciliation with Esau. . http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jacob/2/ And the conflict is symbolic of the conflict between the peoples of Jacob and the peoples of Esau. http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jacob/[url=http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jacob/2/][/url]
These early Jesus sightings are usually, like this one, the result of taking the story out of context. [Edit: Notice the Jewish interpretation is at odds with Huggy too. So now we got three interpretations going.]
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