(August 25, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Ayen Wrote:God was still with them but He removed them for the garden because the tree of life was there. If they ate from that they would have stayed in their sin state forever and so would all of the world. God didn't want that so He removed them from the Garden. If one of my children became so rebellious that they were going to harm another one of my children, my husband or I would kick them out. As of right now I just put them in time out.(August 25, 2015 at 9:10 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Gen 3:8 The Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there He placed the man He had formed. 9 The Lord God caused to grow out of the ground every tree pleasing in appearance and good for food, including the tree of life in the middle of the garden, as well as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So it is the knowledge of Good and evil but that doesn't mean she didn't know what she should not do and what she should do. Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die.’”
Her last part was an addition God didn't say that you would surly die if you ate it. She could have ask God and her husband was right there so he could have said something too.
Gen 2:16...“You are free to eat from any tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die.”
It doesn't matter wither God said spiritual or physical, they wouldn't have understood what death was anyway, they should have just obeyed. I don't explain everything to my children some things they can't fully understand. If I don't want them doing something harmful I don't need to explain all of the details I just need them to obey.
Adam and Eve had the entire garden to eat from yet the one tree and the only one negative command they had was don't eat from the tree of good and evil. God was giving them a chance to obey or disobey. To choose to trust him or distrust. God says if you obey His commands you love Him and it is only by faith that you can please Him and are justified. We have this choice and our choices do effect our children. We don't sin in a vacuum. Our decision will do harm or bless others. Their decision ruined themselves and their children. They allowed a spiritual sickness to invade all of humanity. Still God had a plan to redeem us through His own sacrifice on the cross so that whoever puts their trust in Him repents and accepts His death on the cross can be brought back into a right relationship with God. The curses were just a sign to us all that something isn't right and we need to be fixed.
As for the snake not totally clear on that but I do know that it is a metaphor. Every time Adam's decedents would see the snake they would have been reminded that they had lost something because of sin and they would also know that God had given them a promise to defeat the snake. If you look in the Bible you see the snake throughout scripture as a sign of sin/Satan and God's promise to defeat the snake at the same time.
When your kids disobey do you kick them out of the house with nothing but the clothes on their back?
Do you put the thing that's harmful somewhere where they can get to it when you're not there?
I'm going to assume no, because any parent that did would be a neglectful piece of shit. Choice? What choice? If God knows everything then we have no choice, and there isn't much choice between, "Do what I tell you, or you're going to hell," which is the whole basis of Christianity and why you need to follow Jesus in the first place. That doesn't even get into why he needs to go through the whole 'Jesus' ordeal YEARS later to do something that should take the snap of a finger if he really is all powerful, but that's the problem when you take such a story as fact. The facts don't add up. Although, even when you look at it as a piece of fiction as the rest of us do the thing has more plot holes than the Star Wars saga after the Prequels.
Yes
How does knowledge equate to making something happen?
That was not the choice they had. It was- you can eat from every tree but that one tree. God didn't talk about Hell. I don't know if Adam and Eve are going to Hell if they trusted God to redeem them by His promise then they probably aren't.
God is a just, holy and a merciful God. To just snap his finger would be unjust. To give us all what we deserve would be unmerciful but His Holiness demands holiness for those around Him. His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. When you wrong Him He must administer justice. He knows that the penalty is a costly one so He deiced to pay the cost for all those who are willing to accept His payment for their sin. This would take humility on the person's part, and the grace from God to help them get there. They have to realize that they are a sinner and have wrong the holy God. Then they must repent and give their life to God in exchange for his righteousness. Still, God in his grace gives us more. He give his Holy spirit to us and a heart with new desires. He will keep us in the faith and teach us truth through His spirit. Later, He will create a new world where everything is as it should be and we will be able to live with Him for all of eternity in perfection being made perfect for Him. If you don't want Him then you will pay the penalty yourself.
