(September 9, 2015 at 3:26 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: In my brief study of abiogenesis it seems that this study is wide and varied and even the things that people have been able to produce (some proteins) are far from actually being life. Also there is the human will behind the study of abiogenesis. There are people who which to create life, since they believe that God doesn't exist, and so they are striving to create an environment in which to create life. So if we only see this process happening in the laboratory I see it as reaching to say this is something that is a concrete fact. It should be observable in nature.
I've already sort of explained why it's probably not observable in nature. As far as things happening in lab conditions, the goal with most of those is to gather components that were likely around during Earth's early geologic history. Sometimes they learn something new and have to go back to the drawing board. That's how science works. Considering the most abundant elements found in life are also the most abundant elements found in the Universe (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, etc.), it's really not that far-fetched to think that organic chemistry will start to happen and gain complexity given enough time to stew (like, say, a few billion years).
Quote:Also Micro evolution is observable but macro evolution no one has been able to observe. No one has seen a dinosaur turn into a bird. There is no scientific proof that it happens. There is no historical proof that it happens. It is leaping to conclusions and if you which to believe it you must believe it on faith.
Of course nobody has seen a dinosaur turn into a bird (or give birth to one, which is what I think you mean to say). If one ever did, it would be devastating to the Theory of Evolution as it is currently written because the Theory of Evolution states that the line of ancestry between a dinosaur and a bird would be literally millions of years long, and that we shouldn't be able to observe live dinosaurs in the first place because they should all be dead.
What we have been able to observe is the fossil record, and the fossil record overwhelmingly points to the diversity of life arising from small genetic changes occurring throughout the scope of a few billion years. The fossil record is where we witness dinosaurs slowly turning into birds. The fossil record (along with genetics, and a lot of other things) is the proof that this occurs.
The reason macro evolution isn't observable is time; humans don't live long enough or have a long enough generational memory to have documented the full scope of one species turning into another. Now that we have science and modern documentation, though, that might change in a few thousand years, if we manage to survive; we may very well accumulate enough genetic data to connect the species of the future to the species of today. I wonder what scientific gap your Gaud will hide in then.
The bottom line is that macro and micro evolution are the same thing. The difference is that micro evolution is a few generations long, whereas macro evolution involves enough generations that things further down the line are genetically incompatible with their ancestors and cousins, despite sharing many of the same genetic traits (hence their classification as different species).
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com