The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy

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That's horse shit. Every extremist group claims to be "the voice of the people".

So you, white guy, spend your time and energy publicly shouting down the white supremacist groups, who claim that they're just saying aloud "what all white people feel but are too afraid to voice in this PC society".

So we're equating religion with race now? What was that about horse shit?

If I subscribed to a religion that was the same as theirs, yes, I would shout them down and I'd see it as my responsibility to. My race isn't a subscription though, and white supremacists are more than a little different to Islamic extremists. People claiming to represent me based on nothing but my race isn't equivalent to people claiming to represent me based on my religious ideology. One of these things has significantly more to do with the extremism than the other. Someone claiming to represent me based on race alone would be flagrantly ridiculous. When people share the same religion though, one that you also claim is a "peaceful" religion, it's a lot less obvious that these people don't actually represent you, and you bet your bottom dollar you have more responsibility than I would for a white supremacist.

Pretty damn idiotic comparison.

The problem is, half the muslim population doesn't even want to condemn the extremists even when put on a pedestal and asked. Do you think the vast majority of white people would have a problem condemning white supremacists if put on such a pedestal? Are we going to pretend that a comparative amount of muslims would do the same for the likes of ISIS?

Again. Bullshit comparison. Try again.

But there is a significant fear and intimidation factor toward those who would speak out

In Islamic countries you have a point, but to my knowledge nobody here is talking about anyone in an Islamic country speaking up are they?

You are seriously bullshitting me if you think enough muslims in the UK speak out about the problems with extremism, when over a quarter of them go as far as to sympathise with the terrorists of Charlie Hebdo, which is just one example of this not being an issue even remotely comparable to the idiotic comparison you made above.

These people have a responsibility whether you like it or not. It's not like we're just referring to fringe extremists here who exist out in the middle of nowhere like a bunch of white supremacists in America. These are extremists who visit the same mosques, the same stores, in the same country, who learn from the same preachers as the 'ordinary' muslims, who for all intents and purposes infiltrate and influence the minds of ordinary muslims. So fuck off with this excuse making bullshit. It's exactly the problem and does nothing but enable these terrorist ideologies and 'extreme' views.

If more muslims in the western world spoke out, if more muslims actually condemned these extreme views, you might not get such cases like the Trojan horse scandal in Birmingham schools.

And if you think 75% of Christians (as much as I think their own views are stone-aged) are even remotely comparable to the kinds of mentalities prevalent in Islamic communities in the west, you're off your rocker.