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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 9, 2015 at 3:58 pm
(September 9, 2015 at 10:26 am)Napoléon Wrote: (September 9, 2015 at 9:34 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I don't think calling them moderates is accurate. The way I break it down for myself is jihadists, conservative, liberal. The conservative Muslims share many veiws with the more extreme jihadists, but don't actively pursue terrorism. According to British studies the conservative and jihadists actually make the majority of Muslims.
To be honest, it only seems like the media who wants to label these 'average, every-day muslims' as moderates. I don't hear virtually any muslims describing themselves as such. Yes, that is true. Though the media seems to true against more and more
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 9:00 am
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Or else extremists are so fucking extreme that even crazy people look moderate in comparison.
So.. being a moderate means saying you believe all the stuff in your religion, but acting you like you don't? Or is that a liberal?
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 11:34 am
I don't think it's the average, everyday Muslim's responsibility to define themselves as "moderates". They just live their lives and try to be decent people the best way they know how.
Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?
It would be nice if more-liberal Christians and Muslims alike were better at doing this, but I don't fault them for it.
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 11:47 am
(September 9, 2015 at 7:49 am)Napoléon Wrote: (September 9, 2015 at 2:23 am)pocaracas Wrote: And she's a moderate American Muslim...
Exactly the issue. All these ones who say they're moderates still have extreme views compared to other non-muslims.
That's generally true in my own personal experience.
Mention anything about gays or Israel in front of any my friends who happen to Muslim and even these educated people will just about stop short of openly hoping for Israel's complete destruction.
A few have even defended IS, saying that whilst not representative of their views in totality, they are "doing some things right" to directly quote a Muslim friend of mine who is also an accountant with a big 4 firm.
Insanity.
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 11:51 am
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(September 10, 2015 at 11:34 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?
Since the extremists started claiming their actions spoke for the whole.
Which was a long time ago.
Whether people like it or not, other muslims absolutely do have a responsibility to shout down the extreme elements of their faith. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Nothing more than enablers.
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 12:36 pm
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy
September 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm
(September 10, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I know I will condemn white supremacists agian and agian, not like that 'moderate' above who is clearly an anti semitic piece of shit. And as for 75% percent of Christians comment, let's say that is true, how does that jusitfy even one act of extremism in islam?
Did you just type the phrase, "justify even one act of extremism"?
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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