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Saint Peter's Bones
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RE: Saint Peter's Bones
(September 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:



Jenny A Wrote:How is my measuring different than your laying down and trying to put the arms in the same position as the shroud?

Well?

(September 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: RationalWiki - Head Too Large
The Shroud is rectangular, measuring some 4.4 by 1.1 meters. The cloth (specifically linen) is woven in a three-to-one herringbone twill composed of flax fibrils. It shows faint but distinctive sepia images of the front and back of a naked man with his hands folded across his groin. The body image is muscular and 1.70 to 1.88 meters, or about 5'7" to 6'2", tall, with wound points as though they could have been caused by the process of crucifixion, but there is no generally accepted theory to explain how the image was impressed onto the cloth. However, it is accepted that the image is not anatomically correct — the head is 5% too large for its body, the nose is disproportionate, and the arms are too long. Source.

Secular Web Kiosk - Head Too Small
That the shroud head is too small is visually obvious when it is compared to normally proportioned humans on the same scale. The dimensions of the small and narrow head of the shroud are about nine-tenths the male norm. This may not sound like much, but because of the square-cube law modest differences in dimensions result in big changes in volume, so the capacity of the cranium was at least 30 percent below expectations. Source.


Jenny, this is the kind of pseudo-science that people glom onto when they are desperate to prove a pre-determined outcome.

"This CAN'T be the Shroud of Jesus...let's figure out why."

If you want to make a compelling case, Jenny, read books by scientists who are either neutral or supporters of the Shroud's authenticity. Then prove them wrong.

What I've read suggests it was made in the 14th century when Europe was a virtual relic factory.  I haven't the time or inclination to read tomes on the shroud. Summarize the connection to Jesus.  Any evidence it was his burial cloth?  Unless it connects to Jesus it's just a somewhat mysterious bit of cloth.  And if it were Jesus' burial cloth, what then?  What exactly would that prove?

You labor under the notion that somehow atheists, or me in particular, need to spend time and energy disproving all evidence of god in order to shore up our disbelief.  Not so.  I've never seen evidence of the divine that gave me so much as a twinge.  And I have no real interest in investigating every half baked relic or miracle as if it mattered.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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Messages In This Thread
Saint Peter's Bones - by Fake Messiah - September 13, 2015 at 5:29 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Crossless1 - September 13, 2015 at 6:54 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 13, 2015 at 8:00 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 13, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by dyresand - September 13, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 13, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 13, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by abaris - September 13, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 13, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 13, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 13, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 13, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by vorlon13 - September 13, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 13, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 13, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 13, 2015 at 11:44 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 14, 2015 at 4:34 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:56 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:08 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 8:05 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Cecelia - September 13, 2015 at 11:58 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Mudhammam - September 14, 2015 at 12:06 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 14, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Angrboda - September 14, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 14, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 14, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by KevinM1 - September 14, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Cecelia - September 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 14, 2015 at 6:30 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 14, 2015 at 6:38 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Fake Messiah - September 14, 2015 at 4:39 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Mudhammam - September 14, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 14, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 14, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Iroscato - September 14, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Longhorn - September 14, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by KevinM1 - September 14, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Crossless1 - September 14, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 14, 2015 at 6:39 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by abaris - September 14, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 14, 2015 at 8:40 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 15, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 15, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by abaris - September 15, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 15, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Iroscato - September 15, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 15, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Iroscato - September 15, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 15, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by abaris - September 15, 2015 at 12:32 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 15, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Mudhammam - September 15, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Iroscato - September 15, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Iroscato - September 15, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 15, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 16, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 15, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 15, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 15, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 15, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 16, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 17, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Randy Carson - September 20, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by ignoramus - September 17, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Saint Peter's Bones - by Minimalist - September 20, 2015 at 8:06 pm

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