Do Atheists Believe in the Supernatural?

[Captain Scarlet]

how do you account for laws of logic? these laws are universal, immaterial, and unchanging how does a strictly natural or material world create these laws? or are these laws man-made?

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observation depends on our senses and how do you know your sense are right?

The argument for god from the laws of logic (TAG) is refuted. Not only does it beg the question, it is also an argument from incredulity and also commits the fallacy of the floating abstraction. Logic is a result of humans imposing an abstract structure on the world materially instatatiated around us. As such laws of logic do not really exist except in the framework of logic itself and at the scale of the universe that makes sense to us. This is the same for similar arguments like morality, maths or any abstraction. Even if you were to accept the laws of logic are imposed by an agency, how do you get to a god, or even Yahweh?

We have to trust our sense, and you of course do like us all. Evolution has tailored the best results for us in our current context. Our senses will of course improve against our environment as we contiues to evolve, but it may mean one is reduced in favour of some other in a trade off that is better for our survival. They are however imperfect and easily fooled, which is why we need independent verification through scientifc processes. Our senses cannot get at ultimate truths however becuase they are limited to the world at our scale. The very big and very small cannot be comprehended by them without the aid of technology. But in all our endeavours we have never found a god, nor any traces of one. The only time a god has been 'found' is in the absence of seeking knoweldge itself. And to turn this around; if you sensed god but didn't beleive you could trust your senses - where would that leave your personal experience?