RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 21, 2015 at 1:24 am
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2015 at 2:51 am by Mystical.)
Here's my signature, btw. This is the god you follow. Old Testament and New Testament are one and the same god. How loving, yes? And I do believe you missed my point on my other post. You offered me prayers.
Let me rephrase it. Just to be clear. For god so loved the world, he gave his one and only son up to die as a blood sacrifice for mans sins. That's your belief. What I'm saying is that Adam and Eve never sinned to begin with, if god gave them free will then it's his fault they used it and enabled them to disobey him by setting them up for failure in the first place. As they always say, curiousity killed the cat. God made the cat curious therefore god killed the cat.
Do you truly believe it then to be justice, for all of mankind to inherit a made up punishment? And what of the retribution? Why must there be blood sacrifice in the first place? If god is not bound by any rules but his own, why would he demand the blood of his beloved son when all he needed to do was forgive the imperfect beings he created, in the first place? Makes no sense. None. Add biblical inaccuracies (there wasn't even a city much less a town of Nazareth when Jesus was born!), historical refutation to Jesus' origins, and research into the writers of the books of the biblical texts themselves (along with varying degrees of mistranslations that happened to suit the current social and economic status)--and you'll see a clear history of an ever evolving text used to manipulate and control the masses, whilst making billions of dollars in profit. Did you know Mother Theresa enjoyed watching the suffering of those in her power to help? Imstead she send all the money raised to help the poor and siphoned it straight to the Vatican. At the very best, she was mentally ill and at the very worst? A Monster. Additionally, did you know Hitler was a Catholic? His ultimate goal included purging the Catholic Church of those who would defy him? He truly believed he was doing gods work! Speeches, lots of them. Google it. It's true, all of this is verifiable and has been posted on these very forums with historical references, and unbiased sources. Open your eyes, woman.
Additionally I retread your post and I'm wondering.. If it weren't for god are you saying you would divorce your husband? Why do you care what others think about you divorcing your husband if not for religious reasons? I ask because my mom spent 20yrs of her life being despicably treated, degraded , and humiliated by my father as he waved the bible in her face and told her she would go to hell if she left him.
Are you indeed in the same trap she fell into?
Let me rephrase it. Just to be clear. For god so loved the world, he gave his one and only son up to die as a blood sacrifice for mans sins. That's your belief. What I'm saying is that Adam and Eve never sinned to begin with, if god gave them free will then it's his fault they used it and enabled them to disobey him by setting them up for failure in the first place. As they always say, curiousity killed the cat. God made the cat curious therefore god killed the cat.
Do you truly believe it then to be justice, for all of mankind to inherit a made up punishment? And what of the retribution? Why must there be blood sacrifice in the first place? If god is not bound by any rules but his own, why would he demand the blood of his beloved son when all he needed to do was forgive the imperfect beings he created, in the first place? Makes no sense. None. Add biblical inaccuracies (there wasn't even a city much less a town of Nazareth when Jesus was born!), historical refutation to Jesus' origins, and research into the writers of the books of the biblical texts themselves (along with varying degrees of mistranslations that happened to suit the current social and economic status)--and you'll see a clear history of an ever evolving text used to manipulate and control the masses, whilst making billions of dollars in profit. Did you know Mother Theresa enjoyed watching the suffering of those in her power to help? Imstead she send all the money raised to help the poor and siphoned it straight to the Vatican. At the very best, she was mentally ill and at the very worst? A Monster. Additionally, did you know Hitler was a Catholic? His ultimate goal included purging the Catholic Church of those who would defy him? He truly believed he was doing gods work! Speeches, lots of them. Google it. It's true, all of this is verifiable and has been posted on these very forums with historical references, and unbiased sources. Open your eyes, woman.
Jesus Wrote:"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
Luke 12:51-52
51 "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division." 52 "For from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three"
Matthew 10:34-35
34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." 35 "For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
Additionally I retread your post and I'm wondering.. If it weren't for god are you saying you would divorce your husband? Why do you care what others think about you divorcing your husband if not for religious reasons? I ask because my mom spent 20yrs of her life being despicably treated, degraded , and humiliated by my father as he waved the bible in her face and told her she would go to hell if she left him.
Are you indeed in the same trap she fell into?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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