(September 25, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Godschild Wrote:(September 24, 2015 at 11:56 pm)loganonekenobi Wrote: Calling bullshit on that one. If I "found" salvation in Christ then I would have to follow "your" doctrine. Also, as history has shown, if the christians have political power then my "decision" would be follow the way of Christ or die. Much like what your god says "believe or die".
Most of my doctrine comes through the Baptist church, some of this may not be totally true and some I've developed myself through the study of scripture which could also be wrong, accepting Christ as your savior and following His teachings the best you can is what I was trying to say. As far as "do or die," is some crazy delusion you've dreamed up. Why? IMO you want to remove yourself from the loving grace of God by trying to run down a gift that can't be had except from God through Christ.
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Yeah, see, the thing is I grew up Southern Baptist. My mother just retired as a professor and department head at a Southern Baptist university. I know well the number of bizarre doctrines that are imposed by the Baptists' literalist mindset.
It's not a "free gift" if there's a gun in the giver's other hand (hell). You can try to paint over the black mold on the walls all you like, but it's still there. God made hell. God made people. God says "obey me or I will send you to that place of torture that I made". That's the gun. It makes salvation through belief/worship not a free gift, but a ransom demand from a gun-holding psychopath.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
