(September 25, 2015 at 1:11 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Yeah, see, the thing is I grew up Southern Baptist. My mother just retired as a professor and department head at a Southern Baptist university. I know well the number of bizarre doctrines that are imposed by the Baptists' literalist mindset.
It's not a "free gift" if there's a gun in the giver's other hand (hell). You can try to paint over the black mold on the walls all you like, but it's still there. God made hell. God made people. God says "obey me or I will send you to that place of torture that I made". That's the gun. It makes salvation through belief/worship not a free gift, but a ransom demand from a gun-holding psychopath.
Bizarre doctrine, such as ?
God did not bring corruption into man's life man did. Hell was first made for Lucifer and the other fallen angels, if man had not through his own self brought corruption into his life through selfish disobedience then hell would not have been a part of man's future, so hell isn't used as a gun as you call it, it is the place where all men would be without Christ. Christ is the way out of hell, He is our salvation. There is no if you do not believe in Christ God will put you into hell, hell's the default destination, so yes it is a free gift or maybe you might think of it as a ticket on a train bound for heaven.
I took you as one who was smart enough not to dive into such small excuses, yet you continue by calling hell a place of torture, these small bits are not going to get my attention other than a quick refutation of them. So, if you are going to try and use the Bible against itself please do not bring into conversations small childish arguments that most Biblical uneducated atheist do. Use what the Bible actually says. By the way my view on hell is not what the Southern Baptist profess, nor is it a watered down versions, it's actually even a worse place than a hell of never ending fire.
GC
PS I might not be able to respond to this until Monday, way to much going on here this weekend, so you can answer at your leisure if you decide to respond.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
