Crossless1 Wrote:That being the case, and given the utter lack of evidence for a global flood as described in Genesis, why then are you still a Christian? Mind you, I'm not saying that people who don't accept a literal account of the flood story must give up their Christian faith on that basis, but you have pretty much put it in those terms for yourself.
First of all there are flood stories from all over the world, even from peoples who wouldn't have had communication with each other, second there is evidence of great flooding all over the world, I know there are places where this evidence doesn't appear. So you see there isn't enough evidence against the flood story to dismiss it. As for the scientist at AIG, some were former atheist and they are good scientist with a different view.
Crossless1 Wrote:And the math analogy is a non-starter. The student can learn the proofs necessary to understand why the teacher is correct, and it doesn't depend on accepting anything on faith but on a step-by-step process of reasoning. You've decided, on faith alone, that the flood must have happened because otherwise the "teacher", i.e., the Bible, is untrustworthy. And in the process, you've ignored the possibility that the Bible could convey "truths" through non-literal means.
There's nothing that compares well between the spiritual and physical world. However if a student was rejecting what the math books are saying because he didn't understand what he was reading and was stubborn about his belief he would be stifling the teachers efforts. Let me say this God has taken me to an assurance that He and the Bible are both very real and very trustworthy.
Crossless1 Wrote:*Feeling a bit odd defending the Bible to a Baptist*
I'm not sure how you see you're defending the Bible when you call it non-literal, the prophecies and some parables can't be taken as literal events.
Crossless1 Wrote:Edited to add: my point about the Chinese, Egyptians, etc. (which I thought was clear enough) is that they were there precisely at the time when all of humanity except the inhabitants of the Ark were supposedly wiped out by a worldwide flood, according to a literal reading of the OT and the genealogies therein. We have compelling reasons to believe in the existence of these ancient peoples and not one shred of good evidence for a worldwide flood. Not one, despite the insane ramblings and distorted reasoning of the folks at AIG and other groups committed to salvaging a literal reading of the Bible at all costs -- the foremost costs being their rationality and simple honesty.
There is controversy about the dating of these civilizations, not only between secular scientist and creation scientist, but also between secular scientist, or archaeologist if you prefer.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.