RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 11:20 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2015 at 11:34 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
Reeeeeeeeeeeally? Tyre?
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/992tyre.html
Come on, lady, that's not even a good one. Not even close!
Hey, Redbeard! She thinks Tyre is a "fulfilled prophecy!!!"
In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of Yahweh came to me: Mortal, because Tyre said concerning Jerusalem, "Aha, broken is the gateway of the peoples; it has swung open to me; I shall be replenished, now that it is wasted." Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD: See, I am against you, O Tyre! I will hurl many nations against you, as the sea hurls its waves. They shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down its towers. I will scrape its soil from it and make it a bare rock. It shall become, in the midst of the sea, a place for spreading nets. I have spoken, says the Lord GOD. It shall become plunder for the nations, and its daughter-towns in the country shall be killed by the sword. Then they shall know that I am Yahweh. For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army. Your daughter-towns in the country he shall put to the sword. He shall set up a siege wall against you, cast up a ramp against you, and raise a roof of shields against you. He shall direct the shock of his battering rams against your walls and break down your towers with his axes. His horses shall be so many that their dust shall cover you. At the noise of cavalry, wheels, and chariots your very walls shall shake, when he enters your gates like those entering a breached city. With the hoofs of his horses he shall trample all your streets. He shall put your people to the sword, and your strong pillars shall fall to the ground. They will plunder your riches and loot your merchandise; they shall break down your walls and destroy your fine houses. Your stones and timber and soil they shall cast into the water. I will silence the music of your songs; the sound of your lyres shall be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD. (Ezek. 26:1-14, NRSV with Yahweh substituted for the LORD).
In fact, Nebuchadrezzar failed to take the city, managing to knock out only a suburb on the mainland, called Ushu. And here is a picture from Google Earth of Tyre, today, showing what it looks like:
![[Image: tyre1a.jpg]](https://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/tyre1a.jpg)
Now I'm not an expert on reading satellite imagery, I'll admit, but I'm pretty sure that's not a photograph of "a bare rock...a place for spreading nets...never again be rebuilt", even if Nebuchadrezzar had managed to take the city, as prophesied.
PROPHECY STATUS: EPIC FAIL!
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/992tyre.html
Come on, lady, that's not even a good one. Not even close!
(September 25, 2015 at 10:33 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Ok. Now give me some unbiased (aka non-Christian) sources that corroborate those prophecies instead of force-fitting things that aren't really fulfillments. Go ahead...I'll wait.
Apologetics like the ones you referenced are part of what was used to indoctrinate me, just as they have been used to indoctrinate you. Obviously you're just unwilling to see the truth because you're more comfortable in your ignorance, even though all we want to do is save you from that so you can have a real relationship with reality. Why won't you let us help you? Why do you hate reality?
Hey, Redbeard! She thinks Tyre is a "fulfilled prophecy!!!"
In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of Yahweh came to me: Mortal, because Tyre said concerning Jerusalem, "Aha, broken is the gateway of the peoples; it has swung open to me; I shall be replenished, now that it is wasted." Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD: See, I am against you, O Tyre! I will hurl many nations against you, as the sea hurls its waves. They shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down its towers. I will scrape its soil from it and make it a bare rock. It shall become, in the midst of the sea, a place for spreading nets. I have spoken, says the Lord GOD. It shall become plunder for the nations, and its daughter-towns in the country shall be killed by the sword. Then they shall know that I am Yahweh. For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army. Your daughter-towns in the country he shall put to the sword. He shall set up a siege wall against you, cast up a ramp against you, and raise a roof of shields against you. He shall direct the shock of his battering rams against your walls and break down your towers with his axes. His horses shall be so many that their dust shall cover you. At the noise of cavalry, wheels, and chariots your very walls shall shake, when he enters your gates like those entering a breached city. With the hoofs of his horses he shall trample all your streets. He shall put your people to the sword, and your strong pillars shall fall to the ground. They will plunder your riches and loot your merchandise; they shall break down your walls and destroy your fine houses. Your stones and timber and soil they shall cast into the water. I will silence the music of your songs; the sound of your lyres shall be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD. (Ezek. 26:1-14, NRSV with Yahweh substituted for the LORD).
In fact, Nebuchadrezzar failed to take the city, managing to knock out only a suburb on the mainland, called Ushu. And here is a picture from Google Earth of Tyre, today, showing what it looks like:
Now I'm not an expert on reading satellite imagery, I'll admit, but I'm pretty sure that's not a photograph of "a bare rock...a place for spreading nets...never again be rebuilt", even if Nebuchadrezzar had managed to take the city, as prophesied.
PROPHECY STATUS: EPIC FAIL!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
