RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
September 28, 2015 at 1:22 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2015 at 1:57 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 28, 2015 at 12:54 am)Infanta Wrote:(September 25, 2015 at 2:12 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
No silly, there weren't lions and tigers and panthers etc on the ark. There was just one pair of the cat "kind" and they were nice little tabbies that lived on milk. They developed into all those other types of cats later - but NOT by evolution of course.
That's one of the arguments that gets me riled up faster than any other, since I'm a former biologist. The "created kinds" argument proposes a version of evolution a hundred times more radical than anything evolutionary biologists have suggested, even under Punctuated Equilibrium, with no visible (or defined) means of stopping such a rate of change in the here-and-now (in other words, at that rate, they should already look significantly different from when we first observed and described the species in writing, for example by Aristotle, if the process was going on as they claim). It's also patently nonsense, of course, and leaves out how the kangaroos and other marsupials got to/from Australia, and the New World monkeys got to/from the Americas.
But in re-reading the above, it occurred to me that they were on a leaky boat in the midst of The Mother of All Storms, as the rainfall amounts needed to cover the mountains in that time period is 6" per minute for the full 40 days/nights (40days x 24hrs/day x 60mins/hr = 57600 minutes of rain... Mt. Everest = 29,029 feet x 12in/ft = 348,348in... 348,348in / 57600min = 6.0477 in/min). Yeah. Ever seen a 1"/hour rainfall? That's what Hurricane Katrina had. Super Typhoon Haiyan, the largest such storm ever seen, produced 200mph winds and a maximum rainfall of 3.9"/hour. Per hour, not per minute.
Assuming the boat wasn't destroyed by a rainfall literally 363 times more powerful than Hurrican Katrina's max rainfall, it would have been very damp from minute leaks in the pitch covering the timber, weeping/condensation effects, and respiration of all the animals in there. So tell me...
...how did they keep the grain from rotting/mildewing? If not grain, what did they feed the herbivores? We focus so much on the carnivores because of the meat=extinction thing, but I'm picturing the bins for storing barley, wheat, etc. Certain animals, like ruminants, could do okay on seaweed, but some of the higher-metabolism critters just won't survive without grains for a year. They'd have all been high on LSA from the ergot on the barley... before they died of starvation.
I once heard Kent Hovind argue that the mountains were lower, before the flood, and had been up-thrust to higher heights during the flood, to account for the Mt. Everest argument. Just for fun, I went and looked up the height of Mt. Ararat, on which they claim the Ark came to rest as the floodwaters began to recede (to where?), and it's 16,854 feet high.
So using the same equations above, I calculated the rainfall just to get the water above the height of Mt. Ararat:
16,854 ft x 12 in/ft = 202,248 inches high. 202,248 inches / 57,600 minutes = 3.51 inches of rain per minute.
That's 210.675 inches of rain per hour, or 54 times more powerful than Super Typhoon Haiyan.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.