Attack Islam, not Christianity.

[Autumnlicious]

Why don't we attack both? What now are we saving ammunition or something? And for the records, christianity can get nasty too given the certain conditions..
Just remember the witch hunts...

Basically my main concern with religion is that it hurts society as a whole. Now, all religions have a negative impact in one way or another. Even Hinduism with its "nature is sacred" and "karma" concept led to the Cast system that is plaguing India's social structure.

My concern is that i see a lot of attacks on Christianity overall on these forums and in society as a whole. But the worst thing Christianity does today is molest children

Why don't we attack both? What now are we saving ammunition or something? And for the records, christianity can get nasty too given the certain conditions..
Just remember the witch hunts...

It is silly to attack both equally when one is already defanged as a result of secular values, law and the Enlightenment having already happened. The same cannot be said for Islam.

And it is doubtful for Islam to have an Enlightment, as unlike Christianity where the nitty gritty of lot of law, procedures were not intergrated as components, it has a fairly extensive system of religious "legal" laws, guidelines so extensive to lay out the rules for proper conduct.

Although the Qu'ran does not specifically outline quite a few laws, the ability for Islamic scholars to issue fatwas using the Qu'ran and Hadiths as sources of information allow for extension of Sharia to encompass missing procedures, interpretations, guidelines and actions such as densive and offensive jihad.

Not good.

The silly Christians, on the other hand, were a bit more clueless than their arab counterparts, and left a lot of law alone under the assumption that their Christian culture would always carry it along with their new conquests, thus leaving a fair bit of law defined not be religious interpretations, but on rhetoric, facts and bits of logic.

The Islamic world has not undergone anything like the Enlightenment which changed Western Civilization profoundly. People in Europe during enlightenment challenged the primacy of dogma with reason and rational thought as opposed to dogma.

Hence today's Christians in the west unlike their medieval and early modern counterparts don't advocate burning heretics, banning books by scientists whose discoveries challenged dogmas and those suspected of being witches like they used to. Indeed much the same nasty stuff being committed by the Taliban and Saudi religious authorities were committed by both Catholics and Protestants in Europe 400 or 500 years ago.

If you are not already familiar with European history, please read at least the period from say 1500 to 1700, you would find that enlightening.

i know all about that...what does that have to know with anything ? Are you saying we need to wait 500 until they get their enlightenment ? And the Muslims had their enlightenment, they made amazing progress in astronomy, medicine, or maths. And then the radicalism took over.

Studying the current situation of the Muslim World shows that increased technological development and scientific discoveries does little to stem the ease to which Sharia can be resurrected, as it exists in a fairly complete form.

, which, yes, gives them horrible emotional scarring, but some pull through and no one dies.

Islam kills people. A LOT of people. Women are, in the book itself, worth less than men. And although homosexuality is as criticized as is Christianity, the Catechism of the Catholic Church changed this position to make homosexuality a disease that has to be prayed away, and homosexuals should not be held responsible for their behavior. Islam did not change, and keeps the death punishment very much alive.
Even worse, the descendants of the Prophet hold a divine right to leadership that goes against all of what Democracy is for.

If you look at Africa, the countries where Christianity is the main religion do better socially and economically, treat women and homosexuals better than in countries where Islam is the main religion.

Christianity has been attenuated by centuries of democracy and rationality. Islam has not. If there is one religion that people need to oppose, i'd say it's Islam.

The Islamic world has not undergone anything like the Enlightenment which changed Western Civilization profoundly. People in Europe during enlightenment challenged the primacy of dogma with reason and rational thought as opposed to dogma.

Hence today's Christians in the west unlike their medieval and early modern counterparts don't advocate burning heretics, banning books by scientists whose discoveries challenged dogmas and those suspected of being witches like they used to. Indeed much the same nasty stuff being committed by the Taliban and Saudi religious authorities were committed by both Catholics and Protestants in Europe 400 or 500 years ago.

If you are not already familiar with European history, please read at least the period from say 1500 to 1700, you would find that enlightening.

The Islamic world has not undergone anything like the Enlightenment which changed Western Civilization profoundly. People in Europe during enlightenment challenged the primacy of dogma with reason and rational thought as opposed to dogma.

Hence today's Christians in the west unlike their medieval and early modern counterparts don't advocate burning heretics, banning books by scientists whose discoveries challenged dogmas and those suspected of being witches like they used to. Indeed much the same nasty stuff being committed by the Taliban and Saudi religious authorities were committed by both Catholics and Protestants in Europe 400 or 500 years ago.

If you are not already familiar with European history, please read at least the period from say 1500 to 1700, you would find that enlightening.

i know all about that...what does that have to know with anything ? Are you saying we need to wait 500 until they get their enlightenment ? And the Muslims had their enlightenment, they made amazing progress in astronomy, medicine, or maths. And then the radicalism took over.