The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

Why is there order?

Because Brahma wills it to be so...I thought we covered this already...


Jokes aside, that's a complicated question, especially since the word "order" is another one of those that means something different depending on what you're actually talking about. In short, order exists because the materials and energies in the Universe exert consistent forces on each other, causing them over time to form increasingly organized systems once they enter each other's field of influence.

He doesn't wink at sin because He has integrity. Since, God is good anything that is against His nature is evil. He is a just God and justice requires that evil be paid for. Either through the sacrifice He preformed on the cross or the unrepentant soul pays for their own sin in hell.

Justice doesn't require anything. God invented justice, so whatever justice requires is required by justice because God said so.


The thing you don't seem to be understanding is that a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being would be capable of creating a world where free will is possible but evil is not. If justice requires punishment for sin, it's because Gaud defined justice and sin and himself requires sin to be punished to meet his standard for justice. If he HAS to have the evil and HAS to punish it because justice is some nebulous idea that he can't change and to which he is beholden, then HE IS NOT ALL-POWERFUL.


Simply put: if your Gaud is all-powerful and created everything, then he is personally responsible for ALL evil, and he is personally responsible for the strict requirements of "justice." If he is not personally responsible for ALL evil and has no say in what justice requires, then he is NOT all-powerful.

God has providence over everything and will use all tools at His disposal to show us our need for salvation.

All tools except for materially and empirically proving his own existence, right?

Still, our sinful actions do affect the world and the health of ourselves and others.

Ok, murder yes, but eating shellfish? Wearing mixed-cloth garments? Men dressing in women's clothes? These things aren't inherently harmful to anyone, so why is Gaud so offended by them?

I am not going to say that God doesn't set things in motion or allow suffering to happen. I do know that God work things out for the good of those who love Him. I can testify to this myself. Suffering can teach us many things and make us aware of our blind spots. I don't know why somethings happen and I may never know but I trust God. You clearly see that things are not as they should be. So the question for your world view is if it is not sin then what is broken?

I don't see the world as broken, and I don't see things in terms of what "should be." Everything just is. There is no goal or intent behind the Universe, so it can't be "broken." Whatever happens happens, for better or worse.

Do you really live by the Golden rule? You always treat other in the way you want to be treated or is that just what you use against God?

Yeah, pretty much. I generally don't do things to others if I wouldn't want them done to me. Pretty simple.

What you described is a figment of your imagination because reality doesn't fit into your presupposition that God does not exist.
I was 5 when I met God and I was not concerned about religion. I didn't have a need that wasn't met and before I met Him I didn't give Him much though.

You were 5. You were prone to believe anything, and you are probably unaware of the ways in which you'd already been introduced to the Gaud concept by that age. Of course the Bible didn't sound strange to you. Santa Claus wouldn't sound strange to you either if nobody had challenged your belief in him until you were an adult.