(October 9, 2015 at 11:39 am)Stimbo Wrote:^^This.^^(October 9, 2015 at 11:22 am)alpha male Wrote: How so? With age of accountability, the people in jail in the analogy are indeed there for their own crimes.
Because our 'crimes' are not asking for forgiveness for being born into 'original sin'. There is no age of accountability in this equation.
In fact, your analogy is worse than that. The sin for which we must petition forgiveness is supposed to be transgression against the governor of the prison. He takes the inmates - born, if you recall, in the prison - and tells them by proxy to beg him not to burn them, simply for being in there. Play the analogy game all you like, but don't pretend it represents anything even accidentally resembling justice.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
