Quote:Jokes aside, that's a complicated question, especially since the word "order" is another one of those that means something different depending on what you're actually talking about. In short, order exists because the materials and energies in the Universe exert consistent forces on each other, causing them over time to form increasingly organized systems once they enter each other's field of influence.
why do they innately have these forces?
Quote:Justice doesn't require anything. God invented justice, so whatever justice requires is required by justice because God said so.
The thing you don't seem to be understanding is that a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being would be capable of creating a world where free will is possible but evil is not. If justice requires punishment for sin, it's because Gaud defined justice and sin and himself requires sin to be punished to meet his standard for justice. If he HAS to have the evil and HAS to punish it because justice is some nebulous idea that he can't change and to which he is beholden, then HE IS NOT ALL-POWERFUL.
Simply put: if your Gaud is all-powerful and created everything, then he is personally responsible for ALL evil, and he is personally responsible for the strict requirements of "justice." If he is not personally responsible for ALL evil and has no say in what justice requires, then he is NOT all-powerful.
Yes we know what justice is because it is in God's nature. Again like I said He doesn't make us sin but He does take responsibility for us. He has made a way for us to obey Him. Hell is not the only option we can actually enjoy God. You act as if He is going to make you disobey Him. You choose your own way He doesn't make you disobey Him. He actually went to great lengths in order for you to be free from your sins and enjoy Him.
Quote:All tools except for materially and empirically proving his own existence, right?
No, there is ample evidence in all creation. Your unwillingness to accept that is your choice
Quote:Ok, murder yes, but eating shellfish? Wearing mixed-cloth garments? Men dressing in women's clothes? These things aren't inherently harmful to anyone, so why is Gaud so offended by them?
There are always purposes for God's rules and you can read them in the context of the book it was written and the people it was written to to understand them. Or you can take it out of context to support your presuppositions.
Quote:I don't see the world as broken, and I don't see things in terms of what "should be." Everything just is. There is no goal or intent behind the Universe, so it can't be "broken." Whatever happens happens, for better or worse.
If the worlds isn't broken there is nothing wrong with God's actions. My beliefs are not wrong and there is no better or worst.
Quote:Yeah, pretty much. I generally don't do things to others if I wouldn't want them done to me. Pretty simple.
You should have more respect for yourself. From the way I have seen you behave on this forum God treats you immensely better. He laid down His life for you.
Quote:You were 5. You were prone to believe anything, and you are probably unaware of the ways in which you'd already been introduced to the Gaud concept by that age. Of course the Bible didn't sound strange to you. Santa Claus wouldn't sound strange to you either if nobody had challenged your belief in him until you were an adult.
Conjecture and I never believed in Santa Clause, the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny.
