RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
October 11, 2015 at 10:01 pm
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2015 at 10:03 pm by Redbeard The Pink.)
(October 11, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: You are making the assumption that 1) God is material (yes He can materialize or put on flesh but that doesn't make Him material) and 2) that there are material things that have not come into existence 3) that because it never began that it doesn't have a purpose
#3 has literally nothing to do with anything I actually said, so I'm tossing that out.
As for #2, no. I'm assuming that if it's possible for one thing to exist without a beginning, it's possible for other things to exist without a beginning as well. To assert otherwise is to invoke Special Pleading.
As for #1...so what now, you're asserting that material things need a beginning, but immaterial things don't? So what about all the other immaterial stuff (angels, heaven, hell, etc.)? Those didn't need to come into existence either, right? Oh, they did? So Gaud is also the only immaterial thing that doesn't need a beginning? Sooo...about that Special Pleading...
Quote:God foreknowledge is not coercion. God is totally different than we are and is also outside of time. Even though you have free will He can plainly see what you will and will not do. You are not a puzzle to God He made you and understands everything about you. He knows what will harm you and seeks your good. He will not force you to love Him and hell is a mixture of giving you the desire to be away from Him and removing sin from the earth. Still you have a choice and your lack of understanding about His foreknowledge will not be an excuse when He does judge.
If Gaud knows the future, then the future is already written, and if the future is already written, then all the choices are already made and won't change. If that's true, there is no free will for humans. It's really quite simple.
It's like this: if I know in advance the exact fate of a being I'm creating, then the act of creation sets that being on that course irrevocably. The only person with the power to change it would be me, and the only ways to change it would be for me to either intervene and change one of those choices or forego the being's creation entirely. If Gaud has prior knowledge of everything in the Unvierse, then only Gaud has free will.
Quote:All people are notorious for misconstruing, ignoring and fabricating evidence to support their claims. People will also look at the evidence and their presuppositions will cause them to come to a conclusion that is in their favor. We are all looking at the same evidence and it is only God who will be able to bring you to the truth.
Actually, no. The scientific community prizes academic honesty above all else and systematically ostracizes scientists who use dishonest means in an attempt to prove or disprove something. They're remarkably efficient on that front, actually.
Quote:Those who love God don't always get it right. We have recognized that and we understand that only through God can we be perfected. God is the ultimate authority and He can get His point across even if we don't know how he has done it. I don't identify with either and to be honest I really don't care. I also think you are misrepresenting the two trains of thought but if you want to continue this argument you might want to find someone who care to speak on it.
Sooo...copping out? Thought so. That's a shame, since this directly relates to your "context" accusation. Oh well.
Quote:Yes I do.
They are about remaining separate from the other cultures around them.
The question is why would a woman be in men's clothes or vice versa?(Deut 22:5) Not because he or she doesn't have anything to wear but to pose as the other sex. That would be lying and fall under don't lie. (Lev. 19:11) It would also be a violation of God's gender roles, it causes confusion, and can disrupt the family. Also the male and female speak to the nature of God. (Gen 1:27)
No mixture of linen and wool (deut 22:11) is about being Holy and separate.(lev 20:26) Sheep and Goats (Matt 25:31-46) or the Godly and Ungodly or don't be unequally yoked.(2 Corinthians 6:14) That is why even above the verse with the no mixing of wool and linen it speaks about not yoking a donkey with an ox. (duet 22:10)
The shrimp was an unclean animal. (Lev 20:25) God has the right and authority to claim what is unclean and what is clean. (Act 10:15) Do not take in that which is unclean, thoughts, actions ect. it is a reminder of not brining into Israel the beliefs and behaviors of those outside of God's people. (Mat 15:11)
So all of these are pointing to bigger issues that govern the society of Israel.
You never answered my question. Do you really want to know or are you just testing my knowledge?
No, actually I was waiting to see how long it would be before you admitted that some of those rules have nothing to do with harm and everything to do with Gaud's arbitrary whims and fancies. Thanks for finally admitting that.
Quote:If good and evil is invented by people then it is still arbitrary and meaningless. In your world view people come from a meaningless system so they inherent no meaning. There thoughts and action would also be meaningless. A meaningless thing does not dictate is meaning because it has no source in which to create meaning.
Sooo...everything invented by people is arbitrary and meaningless? Shit...I guess Gaud must be arbitrary and meaningless, then. Couldn't agree more.
Quote:Respect is like love. The amount that is given out is not based on who respect is given to but who is giving the respect. A lack of respect comes from a disrespectful person.
I have no qualms about being disrespectful toward people who dis-earn my respect.
Quote:No "purpose or function to the world" means that it can function in any way and that would not be incorrect.
That does not follow at all.
Quote:God meets every standard and more. He has to exist to even give your statement any meaning otherwise it would just be a person who is meaningless saying meaningless words about a meaningless world.
Lack of metaphysical purpose does not strip everything of all meaning, dipshit. If you really need me to explain why, you probably wouldn't understand if I tried.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
