The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

God is necessary for all things to come into existence, but what would be the reason for your theoretical "other thing" to be there?

If Gaud exists but has no beginning, it means that other things could also exist without a beginning, meaning that being created by Gaud is not a prerequisite to existing. If everything must have a beginning and a reason to begin, then Gaud must also, and so he explains nothing without raising the question of why Gaud himself exists. If Gaud is the only thing that doesn't require a beginning and he is required to create everything else for those things to exist, then that is special pleading.

I see angels, heaven and hell as physical places and things. Still thinking about it now, angels may be immaterial. I haven't given much thought to what angels are made of. Still, I was saying that God is not subject to change. Now that I look back at your passed post that wasn't what you were speaking about so that is my mistake.  

If they were physical places and things, then we would be able to detect them by physical means. Where are they?

God has designed creation to work in certain ways (setting up physical and moral laws). Therefore, your compliance or rejection of these laws will affect you in certain ways. If you choose to jump off a building your body will be affected depending how prepared you are to land on the ground. Your relationship with a person you care about will be affected depending on the way you treat that person.


Not only that, it is impossible for God to ordain you to disobey Him (sin) because that would be a contradiction. He can't command you to disobey him because your disobedience would be obedience and that would negate itself.

He didn't just design it, though; he also has foreknowledge of it. If he creates me not knowing what I'll do, then I have free will because my future isn't predestined. If he knows everything I will do and everything that will happen to me, then I no longer have free will and Gaud becomes responsible for literally every event and action in my life. If he knows I will disobey if created and he still chooses to create me, then he is knowingly setting me on a path of disobedience. Maybe he doesn't command me to sin, but he causes me to by supposedly creating me with the foreknowledge that I will sin if created.

Your statement would indicate that the science community does have people who misconstrue, ignore or fabricate evidence to support their claims; and if your statement is true some are found out.

Is it possible, in your mind, that some in the scientific community have erroneous presupposition that will impede the truth from coming out?

In short, no. There is no evidence of such broad corruption within the scientific community. Scientists are primarily concerned with finding and sharing the truth. It's practically their entire job.

God, being all knowing, eternal and all good, means he does not fall in the same category as you or I do, so by what foundation are you claiming that God's laws are arbitrary, whimsical, or fanciful?

By the definitions of those words. Gaud's laws are not necessarily written based on what's harmful; Gaud forbids some behavior for no apparent reason other than personal preference or to illustrate a concept, and he changes his mind constantly about who to kill for man's wickedness. Based on what the bible says about him, his rules are chosen arbitrarily in the vast majority of cases. He just forbids behaviors he finds icky, it seems.

Also, how is this different from when you,follow the rules of a society, that as you say are "subjective"?

The rules of my society don't condone genocide, rape, or slavery, which means that my society causes objectively less harm than the Jews did during Bible times, which makes my society's morality objectively better by a measurable standard (human rights and quality of life).

Also, according to your world view where it "neither [has] an intended purpose nor a proper function " all view points have the same merit. They don't have any worth because they are all man made. Your idea of my views is meaningless. People fight and kill for meaningless purposes. The death and life of a person is meaningless. Joy, Happiness, kindness, fun, anger none of it means anything. There is no meaning to life and nothing anyone comes up with will give it meaning.

No. Some view points are aligned with the facts of reality, and some are contrary to them. View points that go against the facts have objectively less merit than view points that agree with them.

So in your world view do people have the same amount of worth? If they do why don't you regard everyone with the same amount of respect? If they don't, how do you measure their worth?

Sure, everyone's "worth" the same, but not everyone shares the same level of respectability.

The only meaning that does exist is metaphysical.

Baseless assertion.