(October 29, 2015 at 6:22 am)alpha male Wrote:(October 28, 2015 at 6:32 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Ah, so it's "willingness to die" = must be true. Got it.No, that's not what he said at all. You misrepresent his position, then throw in an appeal to emotion with the pictures. What were you saying before about intellectual integrity?
Whatever, dude. I thought pictures were better than 1000 words, as the saying goes, that's all.
His contention is that Paul would not have done what he did, at risk of his life, unless he truly believed.
The pictures point out that people are willing to suffer greatly and even die in the name of false beliefs, even when they are (or follow) cult leaders who are clearly charlatans, like Koresh and Jones.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
