(October 28, 2015 at 6:32 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(October 28, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Ah, the flaw in your reasoning! 'Zeal' in that time for the wrong thing meant death. So to have zeal about something forbidden meant you believed in it with your very life. Now whether you believe Paul to be correct or not is not what I am illustrating. I am pointing out that Paul believed with his very life on the line that he was correct. And he uses his 'zeal' to show those who maybe afraid what belief in christ may have ment, that he was not afraid to tie himself to any and all consenquences that would come from belief. Again, even if you wish to discount what was being said at the time romans was written, no one can deny his willingness to put his life on the line durning his beatings or ultimately his execution. what romans shows us was that Paul from the beginning did not shy away from his beliefs or any consenquences that rose from what he believed.
Ah, so it's "willingness to die" = must be true. Got it.
The Truth Died At Jonestown:
And of course also in Waco:
And I really do admire these guys for their willingness "unto death":
Context. Paul did not do any of those things. Paul's beliefs/Zeal were supported by the works and miracals he performed in God's name per acts 19. He did these things/'good deeds' in the face of torture and death, the only one you've pictured here that comes close is the monk. but, monks don't set themselves on fire because their belief demands it, it is generally in protest to a cause or social stance. Matter of fact none who have died were beaten tortured and were killed/tested for what they believe. The wacco and jones town people laid down and died rather than be tested as Paul was by soceity.